Merged So there was melted steel

[DGM]

I don't know. I've only seen where they described the steel as evaporated. Others saw melted steel. Is there something you're not understanding here?

Nope. Are you aware they did a whole report on this "evaporated" steel? They don't think it melted.

Is this another case like the "petition" thread you ran away from?

 

[ergo]

Is "evaporated" steel somehow less concerning or unusual for you, DGM?

And did the report conclude that other witnesses didn't see melted steel? Did the report conclude that, DGM?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Clearly some people want to see more:

He noted the way steel from the WTC had bent at several connection points that had joined the floors to the vertical columns. He described the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, “If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted–it’s kind of like that.” He added, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot–perhaps around 2,000 degrees.”— "Scholars Work to Rebuild the World Trade Center Virtually" by Jeffrey R. Young, The Chronicle, Dec 7, 2001

“I found it hard to believe that it bent because the size of it and how there’s no cracks in the iron. It’s bent without almost a single crack in it. It takes thousands of degrees to bend steel like this.”— Ironworker in the A&E documentary “Relics from the Rubble”

“There were fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks.” -—James M. Williams, President, Structural Engineers Association of Utah, in SEAU News, Volume VI, Issue 11, October 2001

“…literally molten steel…” —Peter Tully, Tully Construction

The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF. The surface was so hot that standing too long in one spot softened (and even melted) the soles of our safety shoes. Steel toes would often heat up and become intolerable. This heat was also a concern for the search-and-rescue dogs used at the site. Many were not outfitted with protective booties... —American Society of Safety Engineers, May, 2002

“A three-foot stalagmite of steel, which looks for all the world like a drip candle, sits next to one of the immense steel columns that held up the north face of the tower.” — James Glanz, New York Times, “Below Rubble, a Tour of a Still-Burning Hell”, November​

Which shows to go if the media goes after something like Zimmerman, Nixon, or the Vietnam war, the American people will get whipped into a frenzy.

When media ignores people who tell the truth about what they have witnessed concerning 9/11 the lying debunkers win. An agenda of the media is to protect their friends who DID 9/11.

 

[swright777]

FYI: Cherry red isn't molten. Far from in fact.

Cherry red is molten. Molten means either melted or glowing. That's why truthers use an ambiguous word instead of melted or glowing.

 

[swright777]

Why has no one ever presented any evidence of this liquid steel other than some remakrs and anecdote?

If steel was liquid and flowed into a pool then why wasn't it recovered from the site?

“There were big clumps of molten metal.” —Glen Klein, NYPD, Emergency Services Unit, 9/11 first responder

Notice a problem with your response?

Molten ⇏ liquid.
Metal ⇏ steel.

Try it again without the ambiguity.

 

[Andy_Ross]

steel still running 21 days after the attacks

Is this taken to mean liquid steel 21 days after the attacks?

WHere was the energy coming from to keep steel liquid for 21 days?

In a furnace it has to have a constant input of energy to keep it liquid. As soon as this is removed it cools and solidifies.
Even when it is well insulated in a furnace it will cool and solidify within a very short time.

 

[The Platypus]

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When media ignores people who tell the truth about what they have witnessed concerning 9/11 the lying debunkers win. An agenda of the media is to protect their friends who DID 9/11.

The reason the media ignores 9/11 CTs because it's ridiculously obvious that they are the ones lying. The media is not in business to cater to the whims of fringe group cult kooks.

 

[The Platypus]

So all the CTs are going on in this claim of molten steel is a handful of reports, which considering the evidence, are most likely inaccurate descriptions in a chaotic situation?

 

[DGM]

Is "evaporated" steel somehow less concerning or unusual for you, DGM?

And did the report conclude that other witnesses didn't see melted steel? Did the report conclude that, DGM?

Not a concern at all considering there was a logical explanation.

Do you think they were covering up the explanation you want?

You never answered why there was no other documented "melted" members (you know, besides WPI, that we know what happened to).

(I say want because you seem to believe this supports your CD view).

 

[beachnut]

Is "evaporated" steel somehow less concerning or unusual for you, DGM?

And did the report conclude that other witnesses didn't see melted steel? Did the report conclude that, DGM?

It was corrosion in fire, it clearly explains in the paper. It did not evaporate, it was corrosion, like rust. Not melted. You have again debunked the melted steel bringing up a study which found steel exposed to 1000 C, well below the melting point of steel.

You have debunked the melted steel. Are you now retracting your quote mining failure which debunks your claim of melted steel?

Will there be an off topic avoid failure post?. Like your moon size debris fantasy physics, you now silly melted steel claim 911 truth style chemical engineering fantasy.

Here you go 911 truth followers, the "evaporated" steel study. Quote mine and cherry pick away to fantasy, and woo. Followers? lol
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

 

[ProBonoShill]

This thread is so 2006.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It was corrosion in fire, it clearly explains in the paper. It did not evaporate, it was corrosion, like rust. Not melted. You have again debunked the melted steel bringing up a study which found steel exposed to 1000 C, well below the melting point of steel.

You have debunked the melted steel. Are you now retracting your quote mining failure which debunks your claim of melted steel?

Will there be an off topic avoid failure post?. Like your moon size debris fantasy physics, you now silly melted steel claim 911 truth style chemical engineering fantasy.

Here you go 911 truth followers, the "evaporated" steel study. Quote mine and cherry pick away to fantasy, and woo. Followers? lol
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

I have first hand experience of the same type of corrosion in Steam Locomotive Fireboxes. I have helped to cut out and replace sections corroded in exactly the same way by exposure to high sulfur coal and high temperatures.

 

[000063]

Cherry red is molten. Molten means either melted or glowing. That's why truthers use an ambiguous word instead of melted or glowing.

You're assuming they actually know the difference.

 

[beachnut]

I have first hand experience of the same type of corrosion in Steam Locomotive Fireboxes. I have helped to cut out and replace sections corroded in exactly the same way by exposure to high sulfur coal and high temperatures.

She never looks up the rest of the story as she posts evidence of no melted steel.
She is a JREF poster, using people said they "saw melted steel", as evidence. Takes the skepticism out of JREF.

 

[ergo]

Not a concern at all considering there was a logical explanation.

Do you think they were covering up the explanation you want?

You never answered why there was no other documented "melted" members (you know, besides WPI, that we know what happened to).

(I say want because you seem to believe this supports your CD view).

Um...what?

Oh, I get it. You're just not going to read all the other testimonials. You're just going to focus on the one that said "evaporated" rather than melted. As if that helps your argument in some way.

 

[ergo]

Notice a problem with your response?

No, not at all. A first responder might not have known what he was looking at. It could have been steel, it could have been some other metal. Point is, there were clumps of it. We don't have any pictures of those clumps. Why not?

The second point is, melted steel was reported on by many, many people. Melted steel beams and columns were referenced, not just trickles or pools of an unknown molten metal. Structural beams and columns are not made of aluminum or lead. Right?

 

[beachnut]

evaporated steel? lol

Um...what?

Oh, I get it. You're just not going to read all the other testimonials. You're just going to focus on the one that said "evaporated" rather than melted. As if that helps your argument in some way.

The evaporated steel you talk about was corroded. That ends that as you can't read the study to learn you are wrong.

There was no melted steel, no one say steel melting, or rivers of melted steel. It was not hot enough, even thermite does not make rivers of melted steel for weeks; and there were zero products of thermite, and no piles of melted steel.

The people who said they "saw" melted steel, did not. If you wish to supply a study of some samples of the melted steel they said they saw, you could save your silly claim; however, failure is yours, there was no melted steel found.

You have no photos, no reports, no evidence. You will post talk of melted steel and never post evidence. Like the moon size physics failure, melted steel is your new one, leading off with, evaporated steel. That is funny stuff. Can't wait for Mr Freeze and the sublimated steel claims...

Stuck in a fantasy, and you can't get past spreading the lies of melted steel; and producing zero physical evidence. 12 years approaching...

 

[Clayton Moore]

Is this taken to mean liquid steel 21 days after the attacks?

WHere was the energy coming from to keep steel liquid for 21 days?

In a furnace it has to have a constant input of energy to keep it liquid. As soon as this is removed it cools and solidifies.
Even when it is well insulated in a furnace it will cool and solidify within a very short time.

Guess the tower furnaces were destroyed during the collapses. Something else must have had the capability to liquefy steel until it was depleted.

 

[DGM]

Um...what?

Oh, I get it. You're just not going to read all the other testimonials. You're just going to focus on the one that said "evaporated" rather than melted. As if that helps your argument in some way.

Nope. I have no problem with what any of them said. If that's what they thought they saw, who am I to argue? There is no physical evidence that any steel actually melted, do you agree?

Back to my question(s)?

Are we going to do this again? I answer your questions and you dodge all of mine.

 

[Redwood]

If the heat were insulated, then the fumes coming from the site weren't
from heat. High heat does not fit the available data.

By this, I assume you mean hot air or combustion products, not infrared radiation, as there is much anecdotal evidence as to hot spots, corroborated by infrared surveys. I'm sure you're dying to tell us how hot air was kept in while "fumes" escaped, and what these "fumes" were made of.