Merged So there was melted steel

[swright777]

this wasn't a metaphor..it was a question..a question that i answered. There is no comparison between that question and the subject of this thread.
So once again..what is your point?

This is why you fail.

 

[jaydeehess]

He isn't the exception, he is another example of a person who made a statement from authority to numerous others not too long after 911 and then later denied ever having said or heard anything of the sort.

,,, and witness statements are the worst form of evidence one can use, especially off the cuff remarks.
All such statements are heresay.

"Not true as I have pointed out. Either other reports are true in which case, in fires, there can be conditions that mimic blast furnace effects( which use hydrocarbon fuel) and actually melt steel.

Or

These reports are untrue because such conditions do not ever naturally occur in which case all such reports, including those from the vicinity of the WTC disaster, can be assumed incorrect and unworthy of further investigation."

Again I would like to see said reports since without them it's all heresay..lol

Ok, I searched it for you:
Post by Edx

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7442385#post7442385

So, now can you address the query:
Either other reports are true in which case, in fires, there can be conditions that mimic blast furnace effects( which use hydrocarbon fuel) and actually melt steel.

Or

These reports are untrue because such conditions do not ever naturally occur in which case all such reports, including those from the vicinity of the WTC disaster, can be assumed incorrect and unworthy of further investigation

 

[swright777]

The problem is whether reports of molten steel were actually steel, or were instead some other metal and the person making the report was mistaken if they called it steel.

ETA: Also, what is meant by "molten". This has all been discussed endlessly on this forum.

I didn't see those discussions. Thanks for pointing this out.

1. obsolete : made by melting and casting
2. : fused or liquefied by heat : melted <molten lava>
3. : having warmth or brilliance : glowing

So it can mean melted or glowing.

Why use an ambiguous word instead of just using melted or glowing? (That question not aimed at you LSSBB)

 

[beachnut]

No research 911 truth followers expose their talk only evidence

Be a good debunker and find another clip if you don't like that one. It's not about what they left out - which would be most of his talk - it's about what they left in.

And if you're confused, why don't you contact Les yourself? Ask him what he meant by "a little river of steel, flowing". Nobody else has problems understanding this, but you seem to, so why don't you do some research?

You debunked the melted steel with a single post. You are a debunker by spreading idiotic claims and then posting the debunking clues, with no clue you are debunking.

You have no idea what temperature steel melts at, and why no steel was found melted - because you do no research.

A little river of steel? lol, you got the lake of steel? 911 truth, no evidence, but a bunch of big talk of woo.

Why are there no leaders in 911 truth, only followers repeating lies of melted steel; armed with no evidence, and less research?

 

[jaydeehess]

Nice attempt at double talk.
Wow. Now
reports of melted steel in other fires
Is some sort of freaking factoid?

And the molten steel at the WTC debris was caused by normal "office building" fires which is impossible so there was no molten steel in the debris.

Edited by LashL: 

Edited for civility.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7434355&postcount=176

Finding this was pretty easy. Finding the articles it quotes would take but a few moments longer. But noooo, you and lexicon prefer to duck your heads in the sand and assume that such reports do not exist and/or that this topic has not been covered on these forums several times in the past. I found no fewer than three threads in which this was previously discussed.

 

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Miragememories
Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.

How about molten steel?

Molten metal has been observed many times, in car fires. Its mostly the aluminum rims. That is in an open air fire with hydrocarbon fuels. However its often seen for what it is since the stream of molten metal begins at the location of the tires and the rims are missing.

 

[Miragememories]

"The problem is whether reports of molten steel were actually steel, or were instead some other metal and the person making the report was mistaken if they called it steel.

ETA: Also, what is meant by "molten". This has all been discussed endlessly on this forum."

"This is fused element of molten steel, and concrete, and all of these things, all fused by the heat into one single element."

"And almost like a chunk of lava from Kilauea Volcano or Iceland, where there are very sharp but breakable shards on the ends here"

MM

 

[jaydeehess]

You can't get around the fact that those people walked all over the
debris pile and survived.

YOU are , at this very moment, walking around above a large mass of molten rock and a bit further above a large quantity of molten nickle and iron.

 

[WTC Dust]

YOU are , at this very moment, walking around above a large mass of molten rock and a bit further above a large quantity of molten nickle and iron.

and?

 

[Dcdrac]

another illumination of the truthers flight from reality

 

[LSSBB]

[qimg]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8659/picture3bu.jpg[/qimg]



MM

Ahhh, yes, the old Architect as Metallurgist argument, I remember it well.

 

[jaydeehess]

and?

,,,, and yet you survive.

The people walking about above the fires are similarily insulated by the bulk of debris between themselves and the fires below.

 

[jaydeehess]

Ahhh, yes, the old Architect as Metallurgist argument, I remember it well.

I had that thought as well. Wonder if there are any metalurgy experts who MM can quote.

'almost like'
Sounds suspiciously like a metaphor to me, and we all know that metaphor and analogy break down when subject to technical detail.
In this case that detail being quite obvious; the unmelted bits and pieces sticking out of the chunk, the fact that previously molten metal or rock tends to resolidify as a rounded blob rather than a hard edged chunk.

 

[WTC Dust]

,,,, and yet you survive.

The people walking about above the fires are similarily insulated by the bulk of debris between themselves and the fires below.

If the heat were insulated, then the fumes coming from the site weren't
from heat. High heat does not fit the available data.

 

[jaydeehess]

If the heat were insulated, then the fumes coming from the site weren't
from heat. High heat does not fit the available data.

So if the heat from the mantle and core are insulated from the surface then volcanoes and the associated smoke and ash emanating from them are not.

 

[MileHighMadness]

LOL…molten steel, why is this even a subject?

Liquid flowing molten steel will burn right thru concrete. No evidence of this was ever found at the WTC site. It a pure fantasy…but the Truther Nation for you.

 

[LSSBB]

LOL…molten steel, why is this even a subject?

Liquid flowing molten steel will burn right thru concrete. No evidence of this was ever found at the WTC site. It a pure fantasy…but the Truther Nation for you.

Somebody brought it up in another thread, it spun into the same 'old debunked crap, and the mods shaved it off into a new thread, so now we have yet another melted steel thread. Yay.

 

[Justin39640]

If the heat were insulated, then the fumes coming from the site weren't
from heat. High heat does not fit the available data.

Except for all those cherry red beams they pulled up.

 

[beachnut]

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8659/picture3bu.jpg

MM

Not melted steel. You are showing floors of the WTC fused together due to collapse. There is paper in the concrete; paper. This is the evidence, failed lies and nonsense of melted steel.

Why do you debunk yourself. The photo shows no melted steel.

 

[1337m4n]

I guess we're playing this game again: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114168

But maybe I'm misinterpreting things. It has been five years after all; surely the Truthers have come up with a new argument.