Merged So there was melted steel

[lexicon008]

So you would believe that it was chocolate then?

is that what i said? No. next stupid question.

 

[LSSBB]

is that what i said? No. next stupid question.

Well, you did say you would tell your friend to pick it up and enjoy it. Would you disbelieve your friend and thus play a cruel joke on him? If so, why don't you believe him? Did anyone test it?

 

[lexicon008]

Well, you did say you would tell your friend to pick it up and enjoy it. Would you disbelieve your friend and thus play a cruel joke on him? If so, why don't you believe him? Did anyone test it?

If my friend is confused enough to look at dog crap and say it is chocolate ice cream and then on top of that eat it, i probably would take him to the hospital because something is obviously wrong with his mental status.

 

[LSSBB]

If my friend is confused enough to look at dog crap and say it is chocolate ice cream and then on top of that eat it, i probably would take him to the hospital because something is obviously wrong with his mental status.

Ahhh, your friend was confused. What if it wasn't easy to tell the difference, and even more, what if your friend was unaware of any way to tell a difference, and grew up only knowing of the chocolate and wasn't aware that crap even existed?

 

[lexicon008]

Ahhh, your friend was confused. What if it wasn't easy to tell the difference, and even more, what if your friend was unaware of any way to tell a difference, and grew up only knowing of the chocolate and wasn't aware that crap even existed?

How about you make your point and stop with the fecalphelia.

 

[LSSBB]

How about you make your point and stop with the fecalphelia.

So, are you having a problem discerning the difference between metaphor and reality? Should I thus be unable to say a judgement you make about reality is correct? It seems you are even taking the metaphor as a description of my predilections, with no actual evidence to make that judgement.

 

[lexicon008]

So, are you having a problem discerning the difference between metaphor and reality? Should I thus be unable to say a judgement you make about reality is correct? It seems you are even taking the metaphor as a description of my predilections, with no actual evidence to make that judgement.

hey you're the one going on about dog crap..the adults are discussing more important issues...when you have a non dog crap related point please let me know.

 

[LSSBB]

hey you're the one going on about dog crap..the adults are discussing more important issues...when you have a non dog crap related point please let me know.

Thought this might help...

met·a·phor noun \ˈme-tə-ˌfȯr also -fər\

Definition of METAPHOR

1 : a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language — compare simile
2 : an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor : symbol

 

[ergo]

Ftfy

What do you think he meant instead?

 

[lexicon008]

Thought this might help...

this wasn't a metaphor..it was a question..a question that i answered. There is no comparison between that question and the subject of this thread.
So once again..what is your point?

 

[LSSBB]

this wasn't a metaphor..it was a question..a question that i answered. There is no comparison between that question and the subject of this thread.
So once again..what is your point?

Dog Turd = Molten Steel

 

[WTC Dust]

Do you honestly beleive that a thinking, breathing, rational, non restrained person would knowingly stand in an area that was causing them to be burned alive?
Perhaps you could show where in your picture the molten material is so we can judge whether they are standing over it or beside it....

I'm telling you there wasn't molten metal.
You see the pics of men and women standing on top of the pile.
Anywhere there is a person, there is most certainly not
a boiling pot of molten metal below.

There was no molten metal. Period. Tons and tons of damaged
metal. Steel beams broken up. Steel beams foamed up. Steel powder.
But no molten metal.

 

[lexicon008]

I'm telling you there wasn't molten metal.
You see the pics of men and women standing on top of the pile.
Anywhere there is a person, there is most certainly not
a boiling pot of molten metal below.

There was no molten metal. Period. Tons and tons of damaged
metal. Steel beams broken up. Steel beams foamed up. Steel powder.
But no molten metal.

so your saying that all the people who claim they saw molten metal are lying or mistaken...yet you think somehow the steel was turned into foam..wow

 

[WTC Dust]

so your saying that all the people who claim they saw molten metal are lying or mistaken...yet you think somehow the steel was turned into foam..wow

You can't get around the fact that those people walked all over the
debris pile and survived.

 

[beachnut]

so your saying that all the people who claim they saw molten metal are lying or mistaken...yet you think somehow the steel was turned into foam..wow

You can't get around the fact that those people walked all over the debris pile and survived.

Two 911 truthers, can't agree on the woo. One has hearsay feeding a fantasy, one has fantasy feeding nonsense.

 

[Spanx]

What do you think he meant instead?

My point is, Robertson did not say molten in that lecture. If you watch the clip you will see it has been edited just before the part about removing the rock from the wall, why bother editing it? We have no idea what he was talking about before hand. It's just another truther video which claims Robertson confirmed molten metal in the basement of wtc.

If lexi wants to keep saying he said molten and skip the fact he said like, it just shows he is full of truther BS.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If this 'river' of molten steel was in the rubble pile and was still molten days or weeks after the collapse, what was keeping it liquid?

Steel takes a lot of energy to melt and it needs energy pumped in to it to keep it liquid.

Visit a foundry and have a look.

My dads hobby is Model Engineering. He makes model steam engines.
He has a foundy that can melt up to 10 lb of Iron.
It cools and starts to solidify as soon as it is removed from the furnace.
It takes a lot of energy to keep it liquid.
In fact it takes a lot of gas and a huge blast of air from a compressor blown through a burner into the furnace.

 

[Miragememories]

Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.

Here is an interesting video I've found;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwbOUR-sxI&feature=player_embedded

And the History Channel helped with more evidence;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J22-NEXvAgA&feature=related

The fires of Hell;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z1isoWsKtM&feature=related

Some amusing melted steel spin from Big TV;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_zLZXGt218&feature=related

A Super Thermite paint experiment;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPs25Jj8_As&feature=related

And a sampling of quotes from those who saw it with their own eyes;

http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_dday_ny_sanitation/

D-DAY: NY SANITATION WORKERS' CHALLENGE OF A LIFETIME
by Tom R. Arterburn, April, 2002

“Once the area was cleaned, normal commercial trash collections resumed by the haulers that are licensed and regulated by the Trade Waste Commissioner,” Dawkins says. But for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal — everything from molten steel beams to human remains — running trucks back and forth between Ground Zero and Fresh Kills landfill, which was reopened to accommodate the debris.

http://gcn.com/articles/2002/09/09/handheld-app-eased-recovery-tasks.aspx

Handheld App Eases Recovery Tasks
by Trudy Walsh, September 9, 2002

"Not only was this laborious for the firefighters, but the working conditions were hellish, said Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. of Norwalk, Conn. For six months after Sept. 11, the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1,500 degrees, sometimes higher.
'In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel,' Fuchek said. The firefighters' handwriting sometimes was misread, introducing errors into the database, Fuchek said."

http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm

Danger in the Dust
John Hopkins Public Health Magazine
by Rod Graham, Fall 2001

Alison Geyh, PhD, an assistant scientist with the School's Department of Environmental Health Sciences (EHS), heads the team of scientists sent by the School in response to a request by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences for a coordinated study of the disaster's potential health effects to those in the immediate environment.

It is 4 a.m. in New York City as four researchers from the School enter the site of the World Trade Center disaster on foot. Each is lugging from 50 to 90 pounds of air-monitoring equipment onto Ground Zero. In the dark, the tangled pile of wreckage takes on a distinctly hellish cast.
"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense," reports Alison Geyh, PhD. "In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."

http://www.neha.org/9-11 report/index-The.html

Messages in the Dust
THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION
by Francesca Lyman, September 2003

Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived in New York to help September 11th but didn’t arrive to the Ground Zero the site until the night of September 12th.

"Ground Zero was a disaster site like no other—with hazards everywhere. Shards of steel lay upon shards of steel, shifting and unstable, uncovering red hot metal beams excavated from deep beneath layers of sub-floors, exposing further dark crevasses."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802/

Serving on 'sacred ground'National Guard
by Guy Lounsbury, December 2001

"We arrived here two weeks after the terrorist attack.

Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. Massive steel girders were sandwiched in with crushed concrete. Someone told us that they weighed 1,000 pounds a foot. The collapse left them all blackened and twisted. They are among the few recognizable items in the rubble. You find scant evidence of the hundreds of offices that were once part of the twin towers. Most the furniture and equipment was pounded into dust."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMZ38mY31cM

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at 04:29

Leslie Robertson: "The next thing is we talk about the molten metal. I..we have not done any chemical analysis of what was there. We had many engineers on the site of the project [WTC GZ] following their failure.

We and other engineering firms.

And ah, yes there was red-hot, hmm.. metal seen by engineers and, but molten means flowing ah I, never run across anyone who said that they have in fact seen molten metal, or if by the way, if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was."

I could write a whole book on the many references to the molten and red hot metal found at WTC Ground Zero.

MM

 

[LSSBB]

Molten metal in the debris pile was observed be many credible sources. I have no reason to disbelief those eyewitnesses.

How about molten steel?

 

[ergo]

My point is, Robertson did not say molten in that lecture. If you watch the clip you will see it has been edited just before the part about removing the rock from the wall, why bother editing it? We have no idea what he was talking about before hand. It's just another truther video which claims Robertson confirmed molten metal in the basement of wtc.

If lexi wants to keep saying he said molten and skip the fact he said like, it just shows he is full of truther BS.

What are you talking about? He is describing how the project was on "fire for months", and how they were in a basement level and they pulled out a cement block and saw a "river of steel, flowing".

What else do you think he is referring to?