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Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

That guy's manner of speaking is all screwy the way he * e * nun * ci * ates * e * ve * ry * syl * la * ble * when * he * talks *

But great video of a Bobcat. Footers will try and turn that around and use it to their advantage. They will say, "Look! See! We told you! We know Bobcats exist and that was his first ever video of a Bobcat after 10 years of shooting wildlife. And he said his heart was racing and he could hardly keep his camera still. Now imagine that was a giant uncatalogued apeman, and not a medium-sized cat!"

They would point to you a story like this...

A few years ago on a sunny autumn afternoon near Chip Ross Park in Corvallis, I had a rare wildlife encounter. My husband and I were taking a break from our hike to share a snack beside a small stream, and suddenly from out of the thick underbrush, a bobcat leapt onto the trail 30 feet in front of us. We were so stunned that we could only manage a quick look at each other, and then back at the bobcat, our eyes fixed widely on it as it slowly crossed the trail. We watched the sleek and graceful hunter pad silently by, unaware of our presence for several seconds until it abruptly turned its head in our direction. Wide-eyed and frozen mid-stride, it looked as shocked as we had been just moments before. Movement returned as we grabbed for our camera and stood up. The bobcat immediately began to flee, and true to his adventurous spirit, my husband took off after him (note: this is not recommended). Two things resulted from the great chase that followed, (1.) we witnessed how fast a bobcat can run when pursued by an excited, camera-toting guy in shorts, and (2.) the only photos we came away with require a magnifying glass and a good imagination to see anything at all.
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http://nrimp.dfw.state.or.us/nrimp/feature/2003/10-2003.htm

They would intentionally leave out this part from the bottom of that page...

The status of the bobcat has changed since Oregon was first settled. Early pioneers viewed the animal as a threat, and beginning in 1843, bounties were established. By the 1930’s the bobcat population had dropped significantly, and through the late 1960’s it continued to decline. In response, the Oregon legislature repealed the state bounty in 1961. In 1967, the legislature changed the status of the bobcat to a “furbearer”, with the population managed by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife. Today, the bobcat population in Oregon is considered healthy and relatively stable.
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That would be typical. But then you could put that part back in then show them the following site and tell them to take note of the 27 Bobcat pelts behind the Oregon hunter guy...

http://www.cathunts.com/about.cfm

Yep. 27 dead bobcats behind one guy in Oregon. And Bigfoot? Nein.

Bobcats in Oregon, bobcats in California. Hey, look at this. Cali bobcat right outside someone's house...



And why no unambigous video of Bigfoot?
 
I saw a Bobcat last week in Ohio and it growled at me! It was a very rude animal in my opinion.
 
simply that such an animal as I've described might conjecturally exist.
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it's hard to think of an animal that couldn't conjecturally exist.

It's also hard to think of how an animal can obtain that many calories without showing evidence of itself, and its conjectural "family," and poop that much stuff out without showing evidence. What happens in winter to such an animal? sure, a hibernating primate might conjecturally exist. Right.

Why aren't there more footprints in winter if they don't hibernate. Why aren't they more visible? how do they eat? trick or treating?

These questions have no rational answer. All that can be given are special pleadings, supernatural powers, and appeals to probability ie it could conjecturally happen therefore it must happen.
 
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WGBH said:
I saw a Bobcat last week in Ohio and it growled at me! It was a very rude animal in my opinion.
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They are so catty. AHAHAHAHA...

I want to puke.

John, as a Bigfoot researcher in Virginia, what do you think are your best chances to photograph a Bigfoot and collect hair and scat samples are?
 
Okay, Bigfoot is supposedly deathly afraid of man and his cameras although we have no reason to think that man or his cameras have ever harmed a bigfoot. And, bigfoot will creep into campsites and get within 50 yards of men, and cameras. If you have $300 and a weekend to spare and all your own equipment and food, I will explain it to you so well that you will get goosebumps.
 
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wood knocking has been an important part of the fraud called spiritualism since the famous Fox sisters in the 1840's. The particular kind of spirit that can cause knocking, rapping or other physical phenomena is called "poltergeist." It is no surprise that it is an important part of bigfootery and particularly of the "for-profit" wing.
 
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Until bigfoot, the most famous hoax in American history was, ironically, a fossilized giant, about 10 ft tall, the Cardiff giant. The story is worth reading if you don't understand the great lengths to which a hoaxer will go. Bigfoot will go down in history as far surpassing the Cardiff Giant. 20 or 30 years from now, the 'footers will be the subjects of sociology classes, and people will laugh and shake their heads at their lack of common sense, to believe in a giant animal that has no physical being.
 
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They are so catty. AHAHAHAHA...

I want to puke.

John, as a Bigfoot researcher in Virginia, what do you think are your best chances to photograph a Bigfoot and collect hair and scat samples are?
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Kaze,

I am still trying to learn my way around the forests right now, I leave the camera hanging and evidence collecting to the others. I just follow along behind Billy out there. I am definitely not out there hunting Bigfoot yet. I prefer to do my group contributions by interviewing the witnesses and doing group administration (which is my real profession). I am also the eye candy of the group. :D The rest of the group members are really ugly dudes.

But, in my 2 years of field experience the chances of getting such evidence as you mentioned has been slim to none. It is not from a lack of effort though. We have had more luck with getting possible sound recordings in the past. Lately they seem to concentrate more on the cameras.
 
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Okay, Bigfoot is supposedly deathly afraid of man and his cameras although we have no reason to think that man or his cameras have ever harmed a bigfoot. And, bigfoot will creep into campsites and get within 50 yards of men, and cameras. If you have $300 and a weekend to spare and all your own equipment and food, I will explain it to you so well that you will get goosebumps.
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Autumn Williams under the clever handle "Anonymous" wrote this on Melissa's blog...

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It doesn't mean these people with wild claims have any more proof, no, because we have come to realize that sasquatch seems to know if we are trying to trick them, and once we betray them, then they lose trust in us. The trust building is a delicate process, and once you violate it, you must start from the beginning. I've been there myself. So have many many others and bff needs to realize there is much more involved in this bigfoot thing then dressing up in camo and trying to be some covert field ops agent in hopes of capturing one on camera. These bigfoot are a 'people' in their own right. They are a very intelligent indigenous primitive being with an understanding of their own place in the world.
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https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20140237&postID=4215196691766442229&isPopup=true

Weirdo bonkers scarecrow Autumn thinks Bigfoots are people that somehow "just know" when we are trying to take their picture and are scorned by our faithlessness and attempt to betray them. Lady, you got a whole lot of crazy going on.
 
WGBH said:
Kaze,

I am still trying to learn my way around the forests right now, I leave the camera hanging and evidence collecting to the others. I just follow along behind Billy out there. I am definitely not out there hunting Bigfoot yet. I prefer to do my group contributions by interviewing the witnesses and doing group administration (which is my real profession). I am also the eye candy of the group. :D The rest of the group members are really ugly dudes.

But, in my 2 years of field experience the chances of getting such evidence as you mentioned has been slim to none. It is not from a lack of effort though. We have had more luck with getting possible sound recordings in the past. Lately they seem to concentrate more on the cameras.
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LOL. Oh, I've seen you in a cape, cardboard crown, and tinfoil plunger/sceptre. You're a handsome devil.

So, what methods do you and your Sasquatch Watch colleagues think would be most promising to get good video, scat, and hair? You wouldn't want to waste your time with sound, would you? That is way too open to hoaxing and misinterpretation. Why not try to get reliable evidence instead of more fluff? I'm not saying you're the one making the call, but surely you can make suggestions. Why not invest in doing the same thing that got the wolverine video, hair, and scat in California?

If Bigfoot is as big as you thought you saw, that animal is going to leave great big dumps and great big clumps of hair. Getting one on video should be basically like getting an orangutan on camera.
 
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Kaze,

Most (but not all) of the famous "footprint casts" on display look fake like cookie cutters to me. Some of them even have squared toes. Weird sounds are interesting but not proof of anything. The field is littered with weirdos and hoaxers.

There has been no solid evidence to date. I know that it will take a body, a piece of a body or at least a good film of Bigfoot throwing a Buick at Dr. Meldrum (hopefully Bigfoot has good aim) to get the correct parties (science) interested and involved. I also do not care who gets the proof, as long as it gets done.

I don't care what Bigfoot is. I don't care who Bigfoot is. I only care about getting proof that Bigfoot IS. We all know what that will take.

BTW, I am Asst Director of the group so my opinion should matter. I am only pushing Billy over a cliff away from being the Bigfootry poohbah of VA. :D
 
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BTW, I am Asst Director of the group so my opinion should matter. I am only pushing Billy over a cliff away from being the Bigfootry poohbah of VA. :D
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I'm telling Billy.

Why don't you guys find the hottest spot in Virginia, set out some different bait stations, hair catches, and cameras, and get the video? I'm sure you've probably tried something like this on a limited scale, right? You guys are sure Bigfoot is in there in Virginia, right? Where do you think would be best to get video?
 
kitakaze said:
I'm telling Billy.

Why don't you guys find the hottest spot in Virginia, set out some different bait stations, hair catches, and cameras, and get the video? I'm sure you've probably tried something like this on a limited scale, right? You guys are sure Bigfoot is in there in Virginia, right? Where do you think would be best to get video?
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The area in VA we are currently working on has yielded the most supposed activity to date. Can't talk about it because the investigation is still ongoing. Until now, I have never had much personally happen to me in the field Bigfooty wise in the state of VA. I have had more personal success in Ohio and PA. My sighting was in NC.

I am open to suggestions.
 
WGBH said:
The area in VA we are currently working on has yielded the most supposed activity to date. Can't talk about it because the investigation is still ongoing. Until now, I have never had much personally happen to me in the field Bigfooty wise in the state of VA. I have had more personal success in Ohio and PA. My sighting was in NC.

I am open to suggestions.
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Doesn't have to be your area, but if I want to get a shot of Bigfoot in VA, where is good? Like, if you want to see some cougars, I would tell you to come here to Vancouver Island...



You guys have any idea what Bigfoots over there like to eat?

When you say personal success in Ohio, surely you don't mean the ABS Salt Fork thing, right?
 
kitakaze said:
Weirdo bonkers scarecrow Autumn thinks Bigfoots are people that somehow "just know" when we are trying to take their picture and are scorned by our faithlessness and attempt to betray them. Lady, you got a whole lot of crazy going on.
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I know of a group of footers that insist that all cameras (automated and manual) emit a high pitched noise that only BF's can here. This noise is so unpleasant to BF's that they avoid cameras at all costs. Another insisted that BF's hearing was so sensitive that he could hear the electrons bouncing around in all that digital circuitry.

As the technology improves, the explanations become more outrageous.
 
marlborough said:
I know of a group of footers that insist that all cameras (automated and manual) emit a high pitched noise that only BF's can here. This noise is so unpleasant to BF's that they avoid cameras at all costs. Another insisted that BF's hearing was so sensitive that he could hear the electrons bouncing around in all that digital circuitry.

As the technology improves, the explanations become more outrageous.
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You are getting it twisted and exagerated. It is not a outrageous claim and there are tons of animals that can hear the camera power up. Especially when the IR kicks in on the cameras at night. We have tons of videos where you can actually see the animals such as deer and coon turn toward the camera, their ears prick up and look directly at the camera when it is filming. It does not happen during the day when the IR is not being used. Regardless of if Bigfoot is real, we can plainly see that some known animals can detect the sounds emitted by the cameras.
 
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