theprestige
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Australia. Not allowed is the default. Citizens have to appeal to the state for an exception.
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Dabop
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Total BS...
Like most first world countries- it is quite possible to get a gun legally, hell its not even that hard here....
It is a damn sight harder getting a commercial marine radio licence than a gun licence....
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Oh okay. So gun ownership is the default, and the state must justify denying it, in Australia. That's not what I've been led to believe. But you know better: Australians are entitled to own any kind of gun they want, unless the state can satisfy the high court that an exception should be made.
/s
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
I guess it's that Americans are just inherently more violent than other people. They have more violent genes? They're genetically less inclined to peace and harmony?
Come off it.
But they will at the drop of a hat if they decide that they have to.
When you have a gun for self-defence, the two are the same. If you have a gun and you decide on the need for self-defence, are you saying that you're not going to use it?
It may interest you to know that other countries have metropolitan areas too, and many of those metropolitan areas also have a lot of crime. You know what the difference is? Our crime is less often fatal. Do you have any clue why that might be the case?
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist
I'm going to disagree with @Dabop here and say yes - not allowed is the default. Furthermore I think that is a good thing. Most people - the vast majority, in fact - don't need a gun. They have no reason to. There are a small number of sporting shooters and hunters, recreational and commercial, but for the most part, there is no need for ownership to be the default. There's also no reason why most people need plutonium, so not allowed is the default there too.
Steve
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Appreciate the confirmation. What an awful place to live, though.
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Hitler, Stalin, and Kim Jong-Un agree with you.
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Yes, sometimes the USA is pretty awful.
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Thermal
August Member
C'mon, man, optics. Black men killing white people (especially white women) are a fairly rare crime, and you found four out of five in your cited crimes (the fifth appears to be an Indian man who killed a white man)? What are the odds?Yes, sometimes the USA is pretty awful.
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Norman Alexander
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Like driver's licenses. You don't automatically get one issued to you when you turn 17 (or however old you need to be to be allowed drive). You need to pass various skill and knowledge tests first, and not be a criminal psychopath or something. So "allowed", yes. "Granted by default", no.
Thermal
August Member
That;s what everybody who has never been roused unexpectedly from sleep and thrust into a life or death situation in the dark thinks.
arthwollipot
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TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
Only one of those people died from gunshot, and it was self-inflicted.
Another choked to death on a Peep but it was hushed up to preserve national dignity.
Trump has proven to be an anti-gun zealot since 2018. The most pro-gun thing Trump has done since 2016 was to sign the BBB HR-1 earlier this year which reduced the NFA tax on silencers and SBR's from $200 to $0. Compared to Trump, Obama was very pro-gun. 
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
Have you've ever had to use your tight choke, slug and good aim in defense of yourself and / or others?Dont need much marksmanship with a shotgun.
Because your quote reeks of self serving ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, trolling or both.
Dabop
Master Poster
What I objected to was the loaded 'crawling to the government' nonsense that usually comes from the US far right idiots lol
Its nothing of the sort- do your training, have your gun safe installed and checked, get your license, and after the cooling off period, buy your gun/s...
Getting your truck licence is a LOT more work- takes a LOT longer, and costs a lot more money than getting a gun licence...
What I object to is that loaded message that we are 'all slaves' except the free gunstrokers....
Ironically, its the ones that get off on gun ownership/ammosexuals that usually are the ones who SHOULDN'T have any weapons....
Then you see it wrong. By that logic driving a car is banned, but you can apply for an exemption.
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
In the USA it seems that it is easier to obtain a gun than a driver's license.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
I have no problem with this logic. It's the exact same thing.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
This is all you. I didn't say or imply any of it.