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Steve said:
Guns are designed to kill. Indiscriminately. They will kill a human as readily as any other creature. Most gun owning US civilians have only one target in mind when they acquire a gun. A target that walks on two legs.
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Most guns are not designed to kill indiscriminately.
 
arthwollipot said:
You've no idea how much restraint I had to exercise to not say that guns were invented by the Turks.
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they are famous for bringing them to Europe.
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I mean, that's a thing we can actually credit to the Turks.

ETA A. That line is was one of the funiest bits on this website.

B. Guns and americans. and what not. I own one that is currently in the care of my sister. It was my moms gun given to here by her Father. So, that's really my only interest in keeping it.

I don't need a gun for self -defense and I also don't fear my neighbors having guns. That seems to make me unusual.
 
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I probably saw the worst thing yet among my MAGA redneck neighbors today. A truck with a sticker on the rear window with block letters that said LGBTQ. Below those letters were various white silhouettes of various automatic weapons and a bullseye arranged similar to the Coexist silhouette with the various religious symbols like a Christian cross, the Islamic crescent, etc. The meaning of this sticker was clear. It was a threat at LGBTQ people.
 
acbytesla said:
I probably saw the worst thing yet among my MAGA redneck neighbors today. A truck with a sticker on the rear window with block letters that said LGBTQ. Below those letters were various white silhouettes of various automatic weapons and a bullseye arranged similar to the Coexist silhouette with the various religious symbols like a Christian cross, the Islamic crescent, etc. The meaning of this sticker was clear. It was a threat at LGBTQ people.
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Could be classified as hate speech if your local authorities care about that sort of thing.
 
arthwollipot said:
Could be classified as hate speech if your local authorities care about that sort of thing.
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In this town the police would probably share his sentiment. And this being the US, even hate speech is given the benefit of the doubt. Unless you make a deliberate threat they will ignore it.
 
arthwollipot said:
It looks to me like the are making a deliberate threat.
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The right to free speech is more often protected unless the threat is specific. Saying gays should be killed probably wouldn't qualify. Let alone a sticker that hints at saying the same thing would likely ruled as protected speech. You likely would have say you are going to kill gays for them to take it seriously.
 
acbytesla said:
The right to free speech is more often protected unless the threat is specific. Saying gays should be killed probably wouldn't qualify. Let alone a sticker that hints at saying the same thing would likely ruled as protected speech. You likely would have say you are going to kill gays for them to take it seriously.
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I would interpret that sticker in exactly such a way. Either I am going to kill gays, or I am encouraging others to kill gays.

But as you say, it would depend on the interpretation of the local authorities, so it doesn't look good for you.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Interesting. My brother has several guns. I must ask him about that, because from my own experience with guns I didn't see any mechanism on them that discriminated between targets.
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The bullets only emerge from one end: this enables the user to select a particular target each time they operate the device. The bullets do not emerge at random times in random directions unless there is a serious malfunction.
 
acbytesla said:
I wouldn't say that by our standards they were terrible men. It is far more complicated than that. Take Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. They were very different and very much alike. Great friends and great enemies. From opposing political parties. Both terrible in their way. Both insanely smart. Adams was pompous, highly religious. Very committed and in love with his wife Abigail. Jefferson a deist, essentially an atheist. Jefferson was a ladies man and a slave holder.

The US were lucky to have them as early leaders. Neither of which however, were delegates to the Constitutional Convention.
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And like in the 1990's raping a 14 year old sex slave girl was just normal behavior and should not be viewed as a mark against Jefferson or Trump.
 
arthwollipot said:
Could be classified as hate speech if your local authorities care about that sort of thing.
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It is a harmless political opinion in the US though. That would be like being against Charlie Kirk for his desire to kill all homosexuals, that kind of mainstream position is not something the local authorities will care about. Now speaking out about someone for their call to kill all homosexuals will get you fired in the US.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The bullets only emerge from one end: this enables the user to select a particular target each time they operate the device. The bullets do not emerge at random times in random directions unless there is a serious malfunction.
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Well the military seems to have found a handgun that at least goes off at random times. Why couldn't they find a normal decent gun that does not do that, or more likely is this a common issue with firearms that gets ignored when it does not kill service people.
 
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