Sexually abusing a child while Female

[Checkmite]

Important to what? The 13 year old didn't complain and apparently didn't feel any harm.

If you had asked me at 10 years old if I was being sexually abused (as an objective point of fact, I was), I would have firmly denied anything was happening at all. If you had somehow managed to get me to disclose what was happening, I would have insisted I wasn't being hurt by it.

 

[bluesjnr]

Can you post links to that?

I'm sure you can use the search function and find them yourself but if you can't, like me, be bothered, how about reading this very thread?

Qayak is a prime example - no harm apparently, as is Pterodactyl who wonders about how "hot" the abuser is. Thermal seems to be hung up on how developed the victim is as if that has some bearing on why he was abused. Cainkane1 has admitted to fantasising about sexual scenarios involving minors and Isissxn thinks it's a hoot.

Will that satisfy your curiosity?

 

[Lambchops]

I'm sure you can use the search function and find them yourself but if you can't, like me, be bothered, how about reading this very thread?.

Qayak is a prime example - no harm apparently, as is Pterodactyl who wonders about how "hot" the abuser is. Thermal seems to be hung up on how developed the victim is as if that has some bearing on why he was abused. Cainkane1 has admitted to fantasisng about sexual scenarios involving minors and Isissxn thinks it's a hoot.

Will that satisfy your curiosity?

I suppose so, yes.

Funny how they are all on the right side of the political spectrum.

 

[cullennz]

I suppose so, yes.

Funny how they are all on the right side of the political spectrum.

I'm pretty right and I think it is disgusting, but nice generalisation.

I can do it to


All left posters say all alleged female victims claims should treated as fact

 

[Lambchops]

All left posters say all alleged victims claims should treated with respect and be taken seriously

Fixed that for you.

 

[cullennz]

Fixed that for you.

Um no

All left posters say women should automatically be believed

You are generalising so we must go with a few people equals the whole

Look here is one

http://digg.com/2018/believe-christine-blasey-ford

As we are generalising this means I am right

Do you won't me to do all left people think alleged sexual assaulters should have to prove they're innocent, rather than the state prove guilt?, because in your world of generalisations, this is also very easy

What other identity groups can we generalise about just for kicks?

 

[qayak]

Funny how they are all on the right side of the political spectrum.

If you had a clue you'd be sitting on the floor playing with it.

 

[tyr_13]

I'm sure you can use the search function and find them yourself but if you can't, like me, be bothered, how about reading this very thread?

Qayak is a prime example - no harm apparently, as is Pterodactyl who wonders about how "hot" the abuser is. Thermal seems to be hung up on how developed the victim is as if that has some bearing on why he was abused. Cainkane1 has admitted to fantasising about sexual scenarios involving minors and Isissxn thinks it's a hoot.

Will that satisfy your curiosity?

Wait, as silly as the 'hot' line of discussion is, most engaged in it are not using it as justification or even mitigation. The search for 'motivation', while I'd say is misguided because the motivations of women and men who rape likely overlap to a huge degree, I don't think it is motivated by a conscious desire to excuse the behavior. Isissxn was clearly laughing at those excusing it, not with them.

And as if it mattered, and I know you weren't the one who said it, most of them are not on the right wing of politics.

Spot on with the other two though. They're doing exactly what it looks like.

 

[tyr_13]

How so?

Important to what? The 13 year old didn't complain and apparently didn't feel any harm.

Yeah, that was my first point. Of course, you missed it because it doesn't fit with your narrative.

Not as a whole. The "victim" didn't see a problem. You do understand why it is called "statutory rape" don't you?

Yes but you haven't shown that the perceived power was used to garner sexual favours. Did the teacher threaten this 13 year old?

This is, to put it bluntly, the exact ******* reason that someone threatening you with a gun is doing something wrong even if you 'consent' to giving them your wallet. Leveraging violence to get people to do what you want is, in most cases, viewed as wrong.

Once again we agree, so show me where the teacher held a gun to his head.

It's in the details. When an adult actress decides they must sleep with a director to get a part is it the director's fault they had sex? Was it abuse?

Where's the gun?

If that was rape, I am all for it. However, I consented so it was not rape. I was 15 and the age of consent was 14, so it wasn't even statutory rape.

It is telling that you feel it was. You are too invested in this black and white culture when it comes to sex.

Do tell.

Meaningful enough that you commented.

You're right. Everyone would have been better off if you had just gone to sleep and never made your absurd comments.

Meaningful enough for me to mock of course.

Your entire argument is an argument for incredulity. You are willfully missing the point.

The 'gun' is the power the rapist has over their victim in the form of being in a position of authority through being a teacher (or boss) and being an adult when the other is a child. That 'gun' can't be pointed away or unloaded easily. The child has not internalized the limits of the powers of teachers, bosses, nor adults, and even when someone has matured enough that they have, well, there is still power in those positions of authority.

Intimidation, silencing efforts, being successful doesn't mean squat. As Checkmate pointed out, asking a child if they wanted the sex is not a very good way to tell if they did, let alone passively waiting for complaints.

Your argument is staggering wrong and you know it at some level, which is why you resort to such efforts as breaking up each sentence to be critical of parts that are answered later in the very post you're quoting. It gives the appearance of you having many objections here, by padding it with meaningless 'how so' and the like.

There is no advancement to be had with you, but I'll argue for the benefit of others. That in some cases sexual relations between children and adults doesn't result in a lot of trauma and problems for the child is survivors bias. You now have at least two (three I think) victims of childhood rape telling you, in more polite and longer form, to stuff that vile self-centered argument.

If the child 'complained' five years later, you would, absolutely, not be for punishing the rapist because 'it's too late'. You've argued against protections against rape enough in other threads that frankly I'm done pretending it's not vile.

 

[Butter!]

I'm sure you can use the search function and find them yourself but if you can't, like me, be bothered, how about reading this very thread?

Qayak is a prime example - no harm apparently, as is Pterodactyl who wonders about how "hot" the abuser is. Thermal seems to be hung up on how developed the victim is as if that has some bearing on why he was abused. Cainkane1 has admitted to fantasising about sexual scenarios involving minors and Isissxn thinks it's a hoot.

Will that satisfy your curiosity?

Just to be clear, I don't think it's a hoot that he simply said that. I thought it was funny that shortly after a few posts mentioning the societal double standard, a guy plunks down a post about "Whoooo, I wish that had been my teacher, amirite guys? Kids can dream," apparently without having read any other comment in the thread. He then vanishes.

So he jumped into the thread JUST to make a seagull post about his horny projections. But society doesn't have a double standard when it comes to adult females banging children! Certainly not.

As for qayak, I'm not going to try and argue with someone about how they process their own experience. Apparently his dalliance was legal anyway at the time? I'm not delving into that. I don't want to.

I don't know, it just sort of seemed from the way you (bluesjnr) tossed me in there that you think I was laughing at those precocious schoolboys, or whatever. I was laughing at Cainkaine's complete lack of irony. I think adults who **** children are sick weirdos, and I don't care what sort of genitals they have.

 

[Butter!]

I suppose so, yes.

Funny how they are all on the right side of the political spectrum.

Excuse me???

Since when am I on the right side of the political spectrum?!

What is going on in this place, am I on Reddit? Was it really not obvious that I meant Cainkaine's post was a BLATANT example of the problem, injected in a completely un-self-aware fashion?

You should apologize for lumping me in with positions I not only don't support but find repulsive. I don't know where you're getting your ideas about my views from.

EDIT:

This is where I fall on the political compass. That red dot, right there. That's me.

 

[Butter!]

Wait, as silly as the 'hot' line of discussion is, most engaged in it are not using it as justification or even mitigation. The search for 'motivation', while I'd say is misguided because the motivations of women and men who rape likely overlap to a huge degree, I don't think it is motivated by a conscious desire to excuse the behavior. Isissxn was clearly laughing at those excusing it, not with them.

And as if it mattered, and I know you weren't the one who said it, most of them are not on the right wing of politics.

Spot on with the other two though. They're doing exactly what it looks like.

Thank you for backing that up. I don't know why it's upset me so much that I was misunderstood, but it really has. I definitely meant the opposite of what some posters seem to think, and it's difficult for me to understand how people got it backwards.

 

[angrysoba]

Excuse me???

Since when am I on the right side of the political spectrum?!

What is going on in this place, am I on Reddit? Was it really not obvious that I meant Cainkaine's post was a BLATANT example of the problem, injected in a completely un-self-aware fashion?

You should apologize for lumping me in with positions I not only don't support but find repulsive. I don't know where you're getting your ideas about my views from.

EDIT: [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_673195c7bf069ed711.png[/qimg]

This is where I fall on the political compass. That red dot, right there. That's me.

Don't worry, for Lambchops, anyone right of Felix Dzerzhinsky is literally Hitler.

 

[angrysoba]

Thank you for backing that up. I don't know why it's upset me so much that I was misunderstood, but it really has. I definitely meant the opposite of what some posters seem to think, and it's difficult for me to understand how people got it backwards.

Don't worry. Put it down to recreational outrage.

"I bet someone's going to say something that really gets my gooooa.... that's it, how dare you, how very, very dare you! Shame on you! Shame and blame and thunder and lightning on you!"

 

[Butter!]

If I may speak very plainly for a moment, I think the primary reason society at large treats sexual abuse by females less seriously is the penetration factor. Mentally, a non-penetrative abuser just strikes people differently. Obviously, this is objectively silly, since tons of abuse never involves intercourse or penetration anyway, but I think it's still at the heart of the notion. People think of a man as running around with a sexual weapon and a woman as being more of a vessel. They ignore aspects like intrinsic power dynamics, because they've conceptualized the power to rape as a very male quality.

You'll notice that the tone changes a lot in those instances where a woman uses an object of some sort to engage in penetrative rape. Yes, some people still make sick jokes about it, but they're less inclined to excuse the woman, and they're certainly not going to say, "Yeah, get 'er, kiddo!"

 

[Lithrael]

Yep. See PENNSYLVANIA GRAND JURY REPORT DEBUNKED "Most of the alleged victims were not raped: they were groped or otherwise abused, but not penetrated" -Bill 'I want to make sure everybody knows only some of them got actually penetrated; It's an important distinction guys' Donohue, Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

 

[pharphis]

Excuse me???

Since when am I on the right side of the political spectrum?!

What is going on in this place, am I on Reddit? Was it really not obvious that I meant Cainkaine's post was a BLATANT example of the problem, injected in a completely un-self-aware fashion?

You should apologize for lumping me in with positions I not only don't support but find repulsive. I don't know where you're getting your ideas about my views from.

EDIT: [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_673195c7bf069ed711.png[/qimg]

This is where I fall on the political compass. That red dot, right there. That's me.

Sorry but these days if you're ~ "center left" (like me) and someone wants to demonize you or your positions, prepared to be called a "right winger" by the left, and a communist by the right.

I happen to see 100x more of the former but maybe it's because I engage in more "in-fighting" (for lack of a better term - since I'm talking about very broad categories here)

 

[sadhatter]

Sorry but these days if you're ~ "center left" (like me) and someone wants to demonize you or your positions, prepared to be called a "right winger" by the left, and a communist by the right.

I happen to see 100x more of the former but maybe it's because I engage in more "in-fighting" (for lack of a better term - since I'm talking about very broad categories here)

I've literally seen a post here saying that those in the center of the political spectrum were right wing.and it was applauded.

It kills me how exactly like the conservatives of the 70s and 80s the left is getting. I bet if one took lines from all in the family, reversed the political view of Archie most if not all lines would be applauded.

Or maybe someone had already been doing that. Seems like a funny idea, and easy to pull off in the long term as long as the reveal wasn't here.

 

[Butter!]

Thinking some more, I would reason that a lot of female sexual abusers who schtup their students or sons' friends or whatever are (exactly like the stereotypical male rapists of children) specifically getting off on the power imbalance. Cougar tropes, you know - "Oh, look at me, I'm the experienced older woman and he's a scared little boy, I'm going to show him the ways of the world, because I know them, because I am older and mysterious." Literally the exact same rationale we ascribe to male predators, just worded in a more "feminine" thought-script.

I don't think a woman has to be mentally ill to abuse a minor. I think some of them are, but I think plenty are just predators. I think they MAY conceive themselves and their own motivations differently than many male offenders do, ("I'm experienced and alluring" as opposed to "I'm powerful and will take you over") but it's just window dressing, and it's purely due to societal conditioning.

Sickes are sickies.

 

[bluesjnr]

Thank you for backing that up. I don't know why it's upset me so much that I was misunderstood, but it really has. I definitely meant the opposite of what some posters seem to think, and it's difficult for me to understand how people got it backwards.

I have absolutely no problem in withdrawing my accusation and apologise for upsetting you.

I read your statement completely the wrong way, in my defence it can happen without nuance.