Sexually abusing a child while Female

[Butter!]

And you think a coke addict could just drink a bunch of coffee.

Some people just want the wrong thing.

I like this. Good pithy summary.

I may use this in real life sometime. I'll cite you.

 

[Myriad]

Would a large hit man surprise you?

A large hit man wouldn't surprise me any more than a smaller one. In fact, a smaller one might have an advantage in stealth, being, you know, smaller. But I'm not expecting any hit man to be after me (not since I settled up with Big Tommy Mittens), so either kind showing up would be pretty surprising.

 

[mgidm86]

It's hard not to notice. Like, noticeably hotter than average. That's gotta mean something.

Also, I'm curious what the boys look like. They of course can't be pictured, but is it fair to assume they must be unusually early bloomers, as in six footers with adult physiques or something? Or does this type tend to go for the little boy thing, or what?

Yeah, that's the thing. I think it's got to be some kind of mental illness. A good-looking lady like that could pretty much go anywhere, Walmart, the local pub, church, doesn't matter, and tap any random dude she likes on the shoulder and say "let's get at it" and she's going to bat somewhere around 1.000.

I mean from her viewpoint. What would be the attraction to a child? Physically, they would seem to (ahem) have the pick of the litter, but they go for a kid. Just baffling, in a way.

When a woman is the predator it's about sex. That is exactly what you and others are saying. If this were a man these questions would not be asked.

 

[qayak]

Core concept? And arguing for said core concept seldom being done by people who do not wish to engage in core concept.

Can you explain this "core concept" thing you seem to feel you have figured out?

I just love the faux outrage that comes from certain members in these types of discussions. I had sex with an older woman when I was 15 years old. At that time the age of consent was 14. In terms of sexual knowledge and being at ease, it was the best thing that ever happened to me and for several of my early girlfriends as well.

That woman was my boss at my first job so she would definitely be up on charges in today's outrage culture. There is no way I would want anything bad to happen to her then, or now. We both got what we wanted out of the situation so no harm, no foul.

As for your amateur psychologist diagnosis about my desires, that early experience led to me being attracted to women in their 30s, not young girls.

I suspect that from your reaction, you are the person who should have their hard drive looked at by police. After all, the most anti-gay people are often closet gays. Perhaps it is the same with the situation under discussion.

 

[Mike!]

And you think a coke addict could just drink a bunch of coffee.

Some people just want the wrong thing.

I don't know if one could drink enough coffee...
Yeah, I get the whole people do the wrong thing deal. I just can't really understand the risk vs. reward thought pattern here.
Was it a case of, "Catch me before I **** another underage student, please!"?
Some weird power trip?
An unbelievably smooth talking student?
Is there such a thing as a "nymphomaniac"?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I don't know if one could drink enough coffee...
Yeah, I get the whole people do the wrong thing deal. I just can't really understand the risk vs. reward thought pattern here. Was it a case of, "Catch me before I **** another underage student, please!"?
Some weird power trip?An unbelievably smooth talking student?
Is there such a thing as a "nymphomaniac"?

Yeah, that.

 

[qayak]

Yeah, I get the whole people do the wrong thing deal. I just can't really understand the risk vs. reward thought pattern here.

There have been some interesting studies done that show that what people think they will do in an aroused state while they are in an non-aroused state is completely different than what they will really do. It's one of the reasons "Just say no" doesn't work and why having a condom immediately at hand is much safer than having to go and get one, even from the next room. People in an aroused sexual state are not able to make good decisions. It is always better to avoid situations like this than to think you can manage them rationally.

 

[cullennz]

It's hard not to notice. Like, noticeably hotter than average. That's gotta mean something.

Also, I'm curious what the boys look like. They of course can't be pictured, but is it fair to assume they must be unusually early bloomers, as in six footers with adult physiques or something? Or does this type tend to go for the little boy thing, or what?

Strange post.

I doubt if the sex were reversed you would be curious to know how developed the school girls were....early bloomers, big tits etc etc

 

[Checkmite]

It's funny, in the article it was the boy's friend that tipped off police, because he knew it was weird for a 28 yr old to be into a 13 yr old. That's some mature perspective for a young guy. Or mebbe 28 looks like the crypt keeper to them?

It's merely the clarity that comes from looking at the situation from the perspective of a kid who isn't being targeted and manipulated by the adult predator.

 

[The Norseman]

I mean from her viewpoint. What would be the attraction to a child? Physically, they would seem to (ahem) have the pick of the litter, but they go for a kid. Just baffling, in a way.

When rape is talked about they often say that it's about power and not really about sex; I can see this as a valid similarity. The sex is secondary; the primary goal is to be in control of someone who is physically smaller and much more naive.

Envy..?

Uh, did you read the article?

 

[tyr_13]

Can you explain this "core concept" thing you seem to feel you have figured out?

That you disregard or just marginalize the entire concept of meaningful consent being important.

First I think it is important to point out that in this case the child is thirteen. Even in your idealized memory of fourteen being fair game, this still fails.

Next, let us move on to how we, as a society/nation/group/whatever, are to establish that meaningful consent was given? In this example, and your own personal experience, there are at least two levels of outside power and influence that the older person had over the younger that as a whole people find to be unacceptable to leverage for sexual and/or romantic advantage. If one person has a lot of power over another, it creates problems in determining if the consent was meaningful. This is, to put it bluntly, the exact ******* reason that someone threatening you with a gun is doing something wrong even if you 'consent' to giving them your wallet. Leveraging violence to get people to do what you want is, in most cases, viewed as wrong. Using a position of authority to get sex or other favors is likewise viewed as wrong. Using the age difference when one is a child and has far less possible recourse/psychological factors/social capital to protect them to get sex is viewed as wrong.

Even if the person was otherwise willing, how can we tell the consent was meaningful? Informed? Valid? Back to the robbery example, when there is gun pointed at you, even if you really were willing to give your wallet without it, how would anyone else be able to know?

Now moving onto your specific example, I'm not going to try to figure out if it had the effects you claim it did and lacked the trauma as you claim as well. That really can't be told from distance nor pretty words on a screen. However, I will point out that it's survivor bias. 'It didn't hurt me specifically' is a silly, silly handwave for child rape.

And your speculation on 'how boys view sex' is meaningless because of all the cultural baggage there.

I hope I was restrained enough, because your opinion on whose hard drive should be searched is so meaningful to me.

EDIT: This is what I get for reading on my phone in bed. I actually had to get up and turn on my computer to type out why child rape is wrong. Dah ****

 

[sadhatter]

Can you explain this "core concept" thing you seem to feel you have figured out?

I just love the faux outrage that comes from certain members in these types of discussions. I had sex with an older woman when I was 15 years old. At that time the age of consent was 14. In terms of sexual knowledge and being at ease, it was the best thing that ever happened to me and for several of my early girlfriends as well.

That woman was my boss at my first job so she would definitely be up on charges in today's outrage culture. There is no way I would want anything bad to happen to her then, or now. We both got what we wanted out of the situation so no harm, no foul.

As for your amateur psychologist diagnosis about my desires, that early experience led to me being attracted to women in their 30s, not young girls.

I suspect that from your reaction, you are the person who should have their hard drive looked at by police. After all, the most anti-gay people are often closet gays. Perhaps it is the same with the situation under discussion.

You want me to explain the concept of the phrase "core concept"? I will, but I'm sure you can find it better explained online by others.

If not, then you understand what I find distasteful. The core concept of your post as well as each idea presented therein. It disgusts me in a way I cannot adequately explain within the membership agreement.

As close as I can come is that it is an example of "having a mind so open your brain falls out" but trust me, this does nothing to clarify my level of deep disgust, and hatred of what you are saying nor my feelings of those that would hold said views.

This is as far as I'm willing to discuss this issue with you without moving the conversation to an unmoderated form. As there is nothing more I could say to someone holding these views without recieving a suspension or ban.

 

[The Norseman]

The responses of people who don't view this sexual assault as not particularly important or minimally harmful is a perfect example of toxic masculinity as well.

 

[sadhatter]

That you disregard or just marginalize the entire concept of meaningful consent being important.

First I think it is important to point out that in this case the child is thirteen. Even in your idealized memory of fourteen being fair game, this still fails.

Next, let us move on to how we, as a society/nation/group/whatever, are to establish that meaningful consent was given? In this example, and your own personal experience, there are at least two levels of outside power and influence that the older person had over the younger that as a whole people find to be unacceptable to leverage for sexual and/or romantic advantage. If one person has a lot of power over another, it creates problems in determining if the consent was meaningful. This is, to put it bluntly, the exact ******* reason that someone threatening you with a gun is doing something wrong even if you 'consent' to giving them your wallet. Leveraging violence to get people to do what you want is, in most cases, viewed as wrong. Using a position of authority to get sex or other favors is likewise viewed as wrong. Using the age difference when one is a child and has far less possible recourse/psychological factors/social capital to protect them to get sex is viewed as wrong.

Even if the person was otherwise willing, how can we tell the consent was meaningful? Informed? Valid? Back to the robbery example, when there is gun pointed at you, even if you really were willing to give your wallet without it, how would anyone else be able to know?

Now moving onto your specific example, I'm not going to try to figure out if it had the effects you claim it did and lacked the trauma as you claim as well. That really can't be told from distance nor pretty words on a screen. However, I will point out that it's survivor bias. 'It didn't hurt me specifically' is a silly, silly handwave for child rape.

And your speculation on 'how boys view sex' is meaningless because of all the cultural baggage there.

I hope I was restrained enough, because your opinion on whose hard drive should be searched is so meaningful to me.

EDIT: This is what I get for reading on my phone in bed. I actually had to get up and turn on my computer to type out why child rape is wrong. Dah ****

I envy your ability to construct an eloquent rebuttal in this situation. I agree with all your points, and am also sorry you had to state them.

 

[sadhatter]

The responses of people who don't view this sexual assault as not particularly important or minimally harmful is a perfect example of toxic masculinity as well.

I'm the first to call that phrase being overused, but spot ******* on in this case.

I was going to say the opinions im seeing are basically " they could fry not being little pussies " but even that is social justice perfection compared to the opinions being stated.

 

[cullennz]

The responses of people who don't view this sexual assault as not particularly important or minimally harmful is a perfect example of toxic masculinity as well.

What utter pants

Define how it is "toxic masculinity"? Bearing in mind there are women who also right these things off.

 

[qayak]

You want me to explain the concept of the phrase "core concept"?

Please do.

It disgusts me in a way I cannot adequately explain within the membership agreement.

As close as I can come is that it is an example of "having a mind so open your brain falls out" but trust me, this does nothing to clarify my level of deep disgust, and hatred of what you are saying nor my feelings of those that would hold said views.

This is as far as I'm willing to discuss this issue with you without moving the conversation to an unmoderated form. As there is nothing more I could say to someone holding these views without recieving a suspension or ban.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, Big Shooter! You've won the race to most faux outrage of thread thread and are well on your way to winning stupidest post of the year. Good on ya!

Maybe come on back and try again when you have more control of your emotions.

 

[qayak]

That you disregard or just marginalize the entire concept of meaningful consent being important.

How so?

First I think it is important to point out that in this case the child is thirteen. Even in your idealized memory of fourteen being fair game, this still fails.

Important to what? The 13 year old didn't complain and apparently didn't feel any harm.

Next, let us move on to how we, as a society/nation/group/whatever, are to establish that meaningful consent was given?

Yeah, that was my first point. Of course, you missed it because it doesn't fit with your narrative.

In this example, and your own personal experience, there are at least two levels of outside power and influence that the older person had over the younger that as a whole people find to be unacceptable to leverage for sexual and/or romantic advantage.

Not as a whole. The "victim" didn't see a problem. You do understand why it is called "statutory rape" don't you?

If one person has a lot of power over another, it creates problems in determining if the consent was meaningful.

Yes but you haven't shown that the perceived power was used to garner sexual favours. Did the teacher threaten this 13 year old?

This is, to put it bluntly, the exact ******* reason that someone threatening you with a gun is doing something wrong even if you 'consent' to giving them your wallet. Leveraging violence to get people to do what you want is, in most cases, viewed as wrong.

Using a position of authority to get sex or other favors is likewise viewed as wrong. Using the age difference when one is a child and has far less possible recourse/psychological factors/social capital to protect them to get sex is viewed as wrong.

Once again we agree, so show me where the teacher held a gun to his head.

Even if the person was otherwise willing, how can we tell the consent was meaningful? Informed? Valid?

It's in the details. When an adult actress decides they must sleep with a director to get a part is it the director's fault they had sex? Was it abuse?

Back to the robbery example, when there is gun pointed at you, even if you really were willing to give your wallet without it, how would anyone else be able to know?

Where's the gun?

Now moving onto your specific example, I'm not going to try to figure out if it had the effects you claim it did and lacked the trauma as you claim as well. That really can't be told from distance nor pretty words on a screen. However, I will point out that it's survivor bias. 'It didn't hurt me specifically' is a silly, silly handwave for child rape.

If that was rape, I am all for it. However, I consented so it was not rape. I was 15 and the age of consent was 14, so it wasn't even statutory rape.

It is telling that you feel it was. You are too invested in this black and white culture when it comes to sex.

And your speculation on 'how boys view sex' is meaningless because of all the cultural baggage there.

Do tell.

I hope I was restrained enough, because your opinion on whose hard drive should be searched is so meaningful to me.

Meaningful enough that you commented.

EDIT: This is what I get for reading on my phone in bed. I actually had to get up and turn on my computer to type out why child rape is wrong. Dah ****

You're right. Everyone would have been better off if you had just gone to sleep and never made your absurd comments.

 

[Lambchops]

Previous similar threads have shown that this behaviour is condoned and even encouraged by many members.

Can you post links to that?

 

[bluesjnr]

You often see this comment on these threads, but I haven't actually seen it.

I have on other forums though

C'mon! We've got one person on this bloody thread fantasising about teachers having sex with minors.

Keep up.