Sexually abusing a child while Female

[Arcade22]

Then you need to be more precise with your terms if you do not wish to be misunderstood; which is why we use terms like "pre-pubescent", "adolescent" and "post-adolescent" when discussing these issues; rather than vague catch-all terms like "children". And, incidentally, at least in the English speaking world, "children" commonly refers to pre-pubescent and mid-adolescent (up to about 12 years old) individuals; anyone older than that is commonly referred to as a "teen" or "teenager".

I prefer to describe minors that are old enough that they shouldn't be treated as children as youths or juveniles, but legally speaking the terms are used far less consistently than child which has a well established definition of a person under the age of 18.

I think i had by that point already on more than one occasion stated that "child" includes everyone under the age of 18. I try to be as pedagogic as possible but in this case i wanted to try and avoid coming off as a broken record.

 

[luchog]

I prefer to describe minors that are old enough that they shouldn't be treated as children as youths or juveniles, but legally speaking the terms are used far less consistently than child which has a well established definition of a person under the age of 18.

I think i had by that point already on more than one occasion stated that "child" includes everyone under the age of 18. I try to be as pedagogic as possible but in this case i wanted to try and avoid coming off as a broken record.

This isn't a courtroom, and this discussion is about clarity and accuracy of language, not slavishly adhering to vague legal definitions which vary considerably by jurisdiction.

 

[luchog]

Yet another case of legal over-reaction to teen sex: UNDERAGE TEENAGER FACES LIFE AS REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER FOR HAVING SEX WITH UNDERAGE GIRLFRIEND

Excerpt:

A 14-year-old Houston teenager may be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life after he was charged with having sex with his 12-year-old girlfriend.

The seventh grader, whose name has not been revealed, has been charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child. His girlfriend is in the sixth grade, the Houston Chronicle said.

“He had consensual sex with his little girlfriend and he loved her. They were boyfriend-girlfriend,” the teen’s mother said.

Texas law has the “Romeo and Juliet” exception, which means that having sex with a juvenile under the age of consent is not illegal, if you’re less than three years older than the person who is under the age of consent.

But that law only applies if both sexual partners are at least 14. If you’re 13 or younger, the Romeo and Juliet exception isn’t valid.

Okay, for starters, I have a big problem with 12-year-olds having sex, since there is no way that they're emotionally equipped for a sexual relationship. Even 14 is pushing things too fast.

But...

This is just ridiculously draconian. An mid-adolescent girl and a late-adolescent boy, and they're treating him like he's a hardened criminal. How is that at all right or useful? His life is effectively ruined, since it will be extremely difficult for him to get into a decent university, get a decent job, and so on. Some states allow juvenile offenders to have their records expunged once they reach majority and meet certain criteria (this incident would likely meet them for my state), but I don't think Texas is one of those.

Worse, this appears to be the norm in how this sort of situation is handled, rather than the exception. Looking at the statistics linked in the article, the numbers are seriously disturbing. There has got to be a better way of handling these sorts of scenarios without branding someone for life.

 

[Ziggurat]

Okay, for starters, I have a big problem with 12-year-olds having sex, since there is no way that they're emotionally equipped for a sexual relationship. Even 14 is pushing things too fast.

But...

This is just ridiculously draconian.

I've got to agree with both of those points.

 

[luchog]

Oh holy crap, it just gets worse. A female high school student who had just turned 18 was charged as a tier 2 sex offender for giving a blow job to a 16 year old boy.

HIGH SCHOOLER FACED 25 YEARS ON THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY–FOR ENGAGING IN ORAL SEX

Excerpt:

Because Starr had turned 18 two months before the incident and the boy she allegedly engaged in oral sex with, while also a high-school student, was a minor, Starr was charged with misdemeanor open lewdness and felony unlawful contact with minors which carries a Tier II sex offender designation.

Tier II sex offenders are considered a moderate risk of reoffending but are nonetheless subject to registration requirements for 25 years, including being photographed by Pennsylvania State Police twice a year.

While statutory sexual assault in Pennsylvania requires the victim to be under 16 years old and that there be more than a four-year age difference between the victim and the defendant, the charge of unlawful contact with minors stipliates only that the defendant be 18 years or older and the victim be under 18.

Because this took place on a high-school campus, in semi-public view, the misdemeanor "open lewdness" charge is IMO appropriate; but the Tier 2 sex offender thing is beyond draconian. This is just flat out -ing insane. "Protecting" teens by destroying their lives.

Fortunately, the outcry resulted in the felony offense being dropped, but still, that should never have been on the table to begin with in a sane society.

 

[Cainkane1]

There's a video on youtube about some man who was raped by his mother.

 

[Belz...]

I've got to agree with both of those points.

Same.

There. We've got the entire political spectrum agreeing on something!

 

[qayak]

Tier II sex offenders are considered a moderate risk of reoffending . . .

That's bad news for the male students who were all hoping she was a high risk for reoffending.

 

[sadhatter]

equivalent situations.

Why did you chop my post to remove the context of my post?

Anyone who can comprehend would understand the but you quoted without the rest is senseless.

If you are going to do that why didn't you just crop it a bit further and have me saying I'm distributing child porn?

Actually no let's just keep doing this. I edited your post and now we agree.

 

[Belz...]

Oh holy crap, it just gets worse. A female high school student who had just turned 18 was charged as a tier 2 sex offender for giving a blow job to a 16 year old boy.

HIGH SCHOOLER FACED 25 YEARS ON THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY–FOR ENGAGING IN ORAL SEX

Excerpt:



Because this took place on a high-school campus, in semi-public view, the misdemeanor "open lewdness" charge is IMO appropriate; but the Tier 2 sex offender thing is beyond draconian. This is just flat out -ing insane. "Protecting" teens by destroying their lives.

Fortunately, the outcry resulted in the felony offense being dropped, but still, that should never have been on the table to begin with in a sane society.

Who the hell told on her? That's messed up.

 

[Ziggurat]

Why did you chop my post to remove the context of my post?

I trimmed it for brevity. The context doesn't change the fact that you were talking about in inequivalent situation. I was interested in focusing on the part of the hypothetical that distinguished it from the prior post you were responding to. The full details of the hypothetical were not necessary in order to do that.

Anyone who can comprehend would understand the but you quoted without the rest is senseless.

Um... you might want to edit that sentence so that it makes sense.

If you are going to do that why didn't you just crop it a bit further and have me saying I'm distributing child porn?

Because I thought it was obvious that you were talking about a hypothetical, and as you can see from my response, I treated it as a hypothetical, and did not accuse you of actually doing that.

Actually no let's just keep doing this. I edited your post and now we agree.

 

[bluesjnr]

Who the hell told on her? That's messed up.

Another student..

A female student told the school’s assistant principal that she witnessed Starr getting up from her knees in the stairwell while the boy quickly pulled up his pants, according to an affidavit of probable cause filed by Officer Matthew Gordon of the Waynesboro Area School District Police.

Maybe something else at play here?

 

[Ziggurat]

Another student..



Maybe something else at play here?

Who knows exactly what happened. But as a general observation, it's worth noting that female sexuality is not primarily policed by males in some patriarchal plot of suppression. It's primarily policed by other females.

 

[Arcade22]

This is just ridiculously draconian. An mid-adolescent girl and a late-adolescent boy, and they're treating him like he's a hardened criminal.

I'm not going to argue against the thrust of your argument because i agree with it, but you are being inaccurate in describing a 12 year old girl as "mid-adolescent" and a 14 year old boy as "late-adolescent".

Adolescence is the life-stage between the start of puberty and the onset of adulthood, which in this case would mean the end of puberty. Females typically enter puberty by the age of 10-11 and leave it by age 15-17, on the other hand males begin puberty by the age of 11-12 and leave it by age 16-17. A 12 year old girl would be more accurately described as being in their early adolescence and a 14 year old boy would be in his mid adolescence.

With that in mind it makes his behavior more questionable even if it wasn't necessarily abusive, assuming of course that she wasn't very mature for her age. I and everyone i knew decently well wasn't interested in those noticeably younger than us by that age, rather we were interested in those our own age and above.

It would certainly not be unheard of for 14 year old's to have developed sexual attractions towards young children.

 

[Belz...]

I'm not going to argue against the thrust of your argument because i agree with it, but you are being inaccurate in describing a 12 year old girl as "mid-adolescent" and a 14 year old boy as "late-adolescent".

Adolescence is the life-stage between the start of puberty and the onset of adulthood, which in this case would mean the end of puberty. Females typically enter puberty by the age of 10-11 and leave it by age 15-17, on the other hand males begin puberty by the age of 11-12 and leave it by age 16-17. A 12 year old girl would be more accurately described as being in their early adolescence and a 14 year old boy would be in his mid adolescence.

Thanks, that bothered me too.

 

[luchog]

I'm not going to argue against the thrust of your argument because i agree with it, but you are being inaccurate in describing a 12 year old girl as "mid-adolescent" and a 14 year old boy as "late-adolescent".

Adolescence is the life-stage between the start of puberty and the onset of adulthood, which in this case would mean the end of puberty. Females typically enter puberty by the age of 10-11 and leave it by age 15-17, on the other hand males begin puberty by the age of 11-12 and leave it by age 16-17. A 12 year old girl would be more accurately described as being in their early adolescence and a 14 year old boy would be in his mid adolescence.

This varies considerably. In the US, onset of puberty for girls is typically 9-10 at this point in time, and has been recorded as early as 8. It depends on nutrition, and in particular body fat percentages. As nutrition improves, and body fat increases, puberty starts earlier.

However, that does not change my earlier point about anyone that young not being emotionally equipped for a sexual relationship. There was definitely some parental abdication of responsibility here.