Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

Pardalis said:
Would you have voted yes to his referendum about amending the constitution to allow him to get indefinitely re-elected?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/11/30/venezuela.chavez.vote/index.html?iref=newssearch

If Bush or any US president had proposed such a thing we would never have heard the end of it, so why are you silent about that?

And what about his links to the militia? You don't seem to have a problem with that either.
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I would have supported it.

Chavez used legal ways of a direct democracy and asks his people.
Not like Cheney/Bush cared about peoples oppinion after election.

What militia?
Chavez is doing the same like the US. While the US supported every group that fight against a socialist goverments. Chavez supports those that fight against capitalist goverments.
Both is wrong, especially when they fight democratic elected goverments.

did ou read the documents from the CIA and NED about the Coup attempt against Chavez. What do you say about the connections the US had directly to the people that led the coup`?
 
funk de fino said:
How should I know?



The point is, there should not be a list.



All you had to do was bring an unbiased news source I could look at and see. Having trouble finding one?
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but there is a list for everyone. you dont like it? who cares....
Venezuelans dont like it? start a refferendum. They have Direct democracy now, they shall use it.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but there is a list for everyone. you dont like it? who cares....
Venezuelans dont like it? start a refferendum. They have Direct democracy now, they shall use it.
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There should not be a list like the Tascon list right? Unfair and undemocratic abuse of people details? You do not care about this?

You think the other list if fair and democratic also?

Yes, they have democracy and when they signed against the govt they had their names published and many were persecuted for it. When they do vote against Chavez changes he just tries again.

Read through the site I gave you it has proof Chavez knew about the list and what the list was being used for.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, there certainly is a personality cult surrounding Chavez, but i think that there is much more to the development in Venezuela. I applaud what is happening there and, personality cult yes or no, i like Chavez alot and think he is honest. That doesn't mean he is flawless and shouldn't be criticized, but please stick to a realistic level and cut the "dictator" crap.
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Some people are criticizing him here, and not calling him a dictator, yet still he can do no wrong and his actions are defended. Even actions that go against all democratic principles.

CE said:
btw, yesterday was big party in Caracas, tenth anniversary of Chavez' first election. Congratulations, Presidente!
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BTW - I seen many such celebrations like this for Saddam Hussein and Robert Mugabe.

CE said:
At least you didn't call anyone a liar by now and didn't invent imaginary friends.
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What the hell is that supposed to mean? Not what I think it means, I hope.
 
Pardalis said:
Thanks for admitting being against democracy, now go run along, little commie.
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lol, thanks for addmiting that you have no clue what Democracy is.

You peaople see only the shiny side of your capitalism and globalisation.
you not know or you ignore how much suffering the IMF worldwank and WTO brought to the 3. world.
our waelth is based on the poverty of others.

be proud, capitalist.
 
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Interesting link by a writer who has a lot of ties with Venezuela (though I would not call him unbiased necessarily, nor have I vetted the data:

http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2008/12/06.html#a4139

Basically, we are going into the worst possible scenario for the country, where things will get very complicated and there will be very little that can be done . All of the distortions in the economy, all of the mismanagement and waste will now come to the surface in more violent fashion that anyone could have ever imagined.
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The prediction is devaluation of the currency and a large budget shortfall unless oil can be propped up high and fast. For certain, the drop of the oil prices came at a very bad time -- which will probably result in a governmental budgetary short-fall of more than 25% of the total budget.
 
Hugo Chavez is the young Robert Mugabe. Chavez used the same methods that Erich Honecker did in the DDR.
 
Pardalis said:
Would you have voted yes to his referendum about amending the constitution to allow him to get indefinitely re-elected?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/11/30/venezuela.chavez.vote/index.html?iref=newssearch

If Bush or any US president had proposed such a thing we would never have heard the end of it, so why are you silent about that?
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Read the thread before you participate. #307

Pardalis said:
And what about his links to the militia? You don't seem to have a problem with that either.
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What are "his links to the militia"? Do you mean the columbian FARC? Are you aware that for many years a brutal civil war is going on in Columbia where all sides have blood on their hands? While Chavez is of course ideologically more on the side of the FARC and personally knows some of them (he is from the columbian border region after all), i have never seen any credible evidence that the venezuelan government funds militant FARC rebels. You? Show it, i'm going to take a look.

On the contrary Chavez has used his personal experience with the forces involved and his influence for good. Here is a photo taken yesterday, do you know the woman?

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It is Ingrid Betancourt. She visited Chavez to “hug and thank him” and had this to say:

Upon returning to France today, Betancourt held a press conference in which she reaffirmed the important role Chávez played in the hostage release process and that she never believed that he had “clandestine or wrongful relations with the FARC” because, first, “he knows the FARC and, second, because I understand his path, which attempts to understand processes that are not his own.”

She also emphasized that Chávez “is a great democrat” who “has brought about a peaceful revolution in Venezuela” and highlighted that in the ten years of his presidency there have been more than ten electoral contests.

Chávez’s ideological closeness to the FARC “is a blessing in the end because someone had to talk to the FARC.” “I never lost trust in President Chávez,” added Betancourt. Source
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btw, venezuelanalysis.com is an excellent source. It is of course sympathetic to the bolivarian revolution but if one thinks it is only partisan, read the long article about the 1999 constitution Dictator Cheney posted in #236. The owner of the site, Greg Wilpert, was today interviewed by Stephen Lendman (again, skip the commercials). They touch on a lot of topics we have also discussed here.
 
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I am reminded of how some people on the Left..by no means all...sang the praises of Joseph Stalin back in the 30's and 40's.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
lol, thanks for addmiting that you have no clue what Democracy is.

You peaople see only the shiny side of your capitalism and globalisation.
you not know or you ignore how much suffering the IMF worldwank and WTO brought to the 3. world.
our waelth is based on the poverty of others.

be proud, capitalist.
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Capitalism works and globalization is inevitable. Communism has been as much detrimental to the third world as capitalism. And the whole point of elections is to allow the people to change their government every once and a while, otherwise it wouldn't be democracy.
 
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Pardalis said:
And the whole point of elections is to allow the people to change their government every once and a while, otherwise it wouldn't be democracy.
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Oh really? Change it by what? Elections perhaps? Are you telling me that Germany isn't a democracy? I would be shocked, even if Karlheinz Schreiber still isn't extradited to Germany by your Government - the guy that threatens to "bring down the german political class" in case his extradiction should happen..
 
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If a military communist crackpot as the head of state of an oil rich country doesn't worry you, so be it.

While you've kept whining for years with your truther scenarios of Neocons and the military taking over the US, you've got the real McCoy in Venezuela, but somehow this one's OK...

BTW, wtf do Germany and Schreiber have to do with it?

ETA: just a quick question and I'm done, do you think Cuba is a democracy?
 
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