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Belz... said:
That has absolutely no relation to what I said. Zero. I didn't make an argument that we shouldn't restrict or regulate guns because it won't solve the whole problem, or anything like that... did you even read my post in context? We're talking about a pretty wacky hypothetical.
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I wasn't replying to you. I was extrapolating the rationale. Delaying change is as good as permanently stopping it.
 
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Travis said:
GOP staffer accuses Parkland survivors of being "crisis actors" as part of a scheme to take away the guns.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/fl...land-students-crisis-actors-travel-shootings/
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Journalist Alex Leary of the Tampa Bay Times reports on Twitter that he received an e-mail from Benjamin Kelly, an aide to Shawn Harrison alleging that Emma Gonzalez and David Hogg were “actors that travel to various crisis when they happen.”

An aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison, using state email, sent me this: “Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen.”
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:jaw-dropp

Apparently some of those false flag CTers have [did have] jobs. This is similar to claiming SandyHook didn't happen.

Did that stem from the fake story on Gateway Pundit? It appears related anyway.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
This is nonsense. First, the cops responded to most of these shooter incidents within minutes. It's unlikely an armed 'good guy' on campus would have stopped a shooter any sooner. And second, it only takes minutes for someone with such firepower to take out dozens.

It's a fantasy that a good guy with a gun could have stopped most of these shooters.
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I was being factious. I can't see how teachers would have the time to keep their skills up enough to reliably engage with an active shooter & actually teach.

Then like I said earlier, I'd be worried about "I feared for my life" becoming an excuse for them too.
 
Stolen from LGF

Conservatives responses to mass shootings:
1999 Columbine
“It’s Marilyn Manson’s fault!”
2007 Virginia Tech
“It’s video games fault!”
2009 Binghamton
“Illegal immigrants!”
2009 Foot Hood
“It’s Obama’s fault!”
2012 Sandy Hook
“Crisis Actors!”
2014 Isla Vista
“Your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights!”
2015 Charleston
“It’s Black Lives Matter fault for provoking Dylann Roof!”
2016 Pulse Night Club
“Islam!”
2017 Las Vegas
“Now is not the time to talk about gun control!”
2018 Parkland
“It’s the FBI’s fault for wasting their time investigating Trump!”
 
Travis said:
GOP staffer accuses Parkland survivors of being "crisis actors" as part of a scheme to take away the guns.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/fl...land-students-crisis-actors-travel-shootings/
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That GOP staffer, gutless wonder that he is was a Senatorial aide; I say "was" because he has been fired from his job... good show too. Politicians don't need asshats like him "helping" them.

These gun-nuts have made a few mistakes now haven't they... naming the wrong student as the shooter and now this; attacking grieving kids is not a wise move... its likely to backfire. The panic must be starting to set in as they realise that it just might be different his time, and desperate measures could be needed...
 
Polaris said:
Russian bots (and trolls) went right to work trying to widen American divisions over gun control after Parkland:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/technology/russian-bots-school-shooting.html
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SAN FRANCISCO — One hour after news broke about the school shooting in Florida last week, Twitter accounts suspected of having links to Russia released hundreds of posts taking up the gun control debate.

The accounts addressed the news with the speed of a cable news network. Some adopted the hashtag #guncontrolnow. Others used #gunreformnow and #Parklandshooting. Earlier on Wednesday, before the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., many of those accounts had been focused on the investigation by the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

“This is pretty typical for them, to hop on breaking news like this,” said Jonathon Morgan, chief executive of New Knowledge, a company that tracks online disinformation campaigns. “The bots focus on anything that is divisive for Americans. Almost systematically.”
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It's going to take quite an effort to address a propaganda machine this sophisticated.
 
IanS said:
Sounds like NJ has more responsible gun laws than many other US states. Though of course, since I don't live in the US, I have no idea how many people in NJ do own guns, and I have no idea if the figures for gun crime are lower there than in other states?
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According to CBS, Jersey ranks 48th in the country for gun ownership at under 12% owning. #1 Alaska, by comparison, has over 61%, link below. Hawaii ranks #10 with a surprising 45%. Jersey's gun crime is on the low side nationally, and is concentrated in the poorer cities (Camden, Newark, Trenton). I would have thought gun ownership was much higher, as about half of the people I know have guns.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/4/

Obviously, I would still think there are way too many guns in any US states (I think that is what almost everyone in Europe thinks). But if NJ can introduce tighter gun laws then other states could surely do that too ... though to be really effective I think it will need laws much closer to what we have in the UK (and afaik, what they have in most other EU nations).
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I doubt we could ever adopt that level of restriction. Hunting in particular is almost a religion here, more a way of life than a pastime. Shotguns and rifles won't be leaving the landscape in my lifetime. We seem to get along fine without carrying handguns around, though, and we have a list of banned 'assault' weapons. If Jersey can pull it off, other States can too.

If the US did ever want to introduce much stricter controls similar to what we have in the UK, then maybe one way to at least partly defuse the anger and opposition from groups like the NRA, could be to somehow phase the changes in over a period of say 10 years ... that would at least give people time to get used to a new approach to gun ownership, and give time for people who make a living from buying & selling guns and bullets to plan for significant changes in the medium-term future?
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I really don't think it can happen, as in large scale disarming. Semis can (and should) be phased out, sooner rather than later. But the attachment to guns runs deep here. I think getting handguns of the street and semis off the shelves are the most realistic goals, in addition to annual licensing and registration. I think it would be better to slam new rules down fast, rather than slowly. With the rate of mass shootings rising as fast as they are, I don't think we have the luxury of a decade to enact serious reform.
 
I'd like to think that slandering kids that just survived a massacre would be the moment when Trump supporters would stop and think "what in the hell am I doing?" but I kind of doubt it. They are just so beyond the bounds of all acceptable morality that they can't even look back and see the border of decency anymore.
 
Travis said:
I'd like to think that slandering kids that just survived a massacre would be the moment when Trump supporters would stop and think "what in the hell am I doing?" but I kind of doubt it. They are just so beyond the bounds of all acceptable morality that they can't even look back and see the border of decency anymore.
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Not sure you should conflate:
Nut-jobs that believe this kind of bull ****
with
all idiot Trump supporters
with
all 2nd Amendment gun nuts who have bought into the propaganda machine
with
people who actually are concerned about their gun rights but haven't been manipulated by the gun manufacturers and Russian propaganda bots.​
 
Are there any Trump supporters that don't think these kids are just stooges of some great Deep State/Soros/Obama conspiracy? Somehow I doubt it. They're all despicable. All of 'em.
 
Travis said:
I'd like to think that slandering kids that just survived a massacre would be the moment when Trump supporters would stop and think "what in the hell am I doing?" but I kind of doubt it. They are just so beyond the bounds of all acceptable morality that they can't even look back and see the border of decency anymore.
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Slander implies they don't believe it is true. I think they do believe.
 
Ya'll notice this in the screen capture Travis posted in #910?

The two comments on the right side were by a user account name/handle/nick having the initials "KKK."
 
I wonder what the Founding Fathers would have to say about the right to bear arms if they could pop into existence here and now, and spend a month getting up to speed with the modern world.
 
Travis said:
GOP staffer accuses Parkland survivors of being "crisis actors" as part of a scheme to take away the guns.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/fl...land-students-crisis-actors-travel-shootings/
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Some asshat sub-secretary in a distant district GOP office makes an extremely dumbass comment, which he's summarily fired for, and the first line of the article reads: "Republicans are ramping up attacks on survivors of the Parkland school massacre who have asked for new gun control laws."

That's very poor work.
 
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