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caveman1917 said:
Breivik's victims were social-democrats. They weren't shot because they were in the "vast majority of white people" but because neo-nazis like to shoot up anti-capitalist leftists.

Ugh, liberals...:rolleyes:
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Jim Adkisson had similar motivations for his mass shooting in Knoxville about ten years ago. He shot up a Unitarian-Universalist church during a children's play because it was "full of liberals and Democrats".
 
BobTheCoward said:
At a school? That advocated white supremacist views? I'm trying to recall but I'm getting mostly young adults when I think of that.
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The guy who shot up his community college in Oregon a few years back had white-supremacist leanings as well, although as in this case they didn't seem to motivate the shooting specifically. But no groups rushed forward to claim him.

I'm curious why the artificial constraint to shootings only at schools? There have been numerous mass-shootings caused by adult white supremacists that didn't happen at schools which white-supremacist groups could just as easily have exploited for publicity but have not.
 
BobTheCoward said:
At a school? That advocated white supremacist views? I'm trying to recall but I'm getting mostly young adults when I think of that.
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The guy who made those claims that the shooter is a member of his white supremacist gang has been walking them back all afternoon.

Might be a hoax
 
Checkmite said:
The guy who shot up his community college in Oregon a few years back had white-supremacist leanings as well, although as in this case they didn't seem to motivate the shooting specifically. But no groups rushed forward to claim him.

I'm curious why the artificial constraint to shootings only at schools? There have been numerous mass-shootings caused by adult white supremacists that didn't happen at schools which white-supremacist groups could just as easily have exploited for publicity but have not.
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Probably the reason you don't see it is because they are in reach of US law. You would have to be really dumb to publicly link yourself truthfully or falsely.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Probably the reason you don't see it is because they are in reach of US law. You would have to be really dumb to publicly link yourself truthfully or falsely.
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Exactly; so it would actually make little sense that the "white militia" leader admitting ties to yesterday's school shooter is doing it to create publicity for his group, as opposed to simply answering questions from journalists and law enforcement about his association.
 
Checkmite said:
Exactly; so it would actually make little sense that the "white militia" leader admitting ties to yesterday's school shooter is doing it to create publicity for his group, as opposed to simply answering questions from journalists and law enforcement about his association.
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I disagree. The fact it is rare means it is both rare to lie and rare to tell the truth.
 
Almost everyone experiences suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts at some point in their lives - that doesn't make them mentally ill.
But if you can get a gun during those times, you might actually act on your temporary moods.
If we can't remove the motive, we have to reduce the opportunity - simple as that.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Almost everyone experiences suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts at some point in their lives - that doesn't make them mentally ill.
But if you can get a gun during those times, you might actually act on your temporary moods.
If we can't remove the motive, we have to reduce the opportunity - simple as that.
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Why do we desire to reduce suicides?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Almost everyone experiences suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts at some point in their lives
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I have trouble believing that. Or, you must be conflating intentional hyperbole ("I'm going to kill the next person who uses the words 'fake news'"/"If the Patriots win the Super Bowl again this year I'm just gonna kill myself") with actual suicidal and homicidal thoughts.
 
Really wish I had the time to not only participate in these debates, but read through all the posts too.

Saying that, gun culture in the U.S makes no sense to me. In Canada, very few people own a handgun legally, even fewer an assault rifle, you require special permissions to do so.

A small segment of the population (mostly located outside major cities) own hunting rifles which are used for hmmmmm.......................hunting.

If anyone bragged about their gun arsenal and the protection it provided they'd be looked upon as a "weirdo"

Gun ownership up here (unless you have a very valid reason) is looked upon as unnecessary at best and a crime at worst.
 
Yeggster said:
I disagree ... level headed, sane people do not do this kind of thing, its simple as that.
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Would you then argue that political terrorists captured in the course of committing mass murder should be treated as insane, because they "do this kind of thing"?
 
Craig B said:
Would you then argue that political terrorists captured in the course of committing mass murder should be treated as insane, because they "do this kind of thing"?
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I think the courts got it Right by defining insane as not knowing right or wrong.
 
Ranb said:
http://biathloncanada.ca/
So where do these people fit in on your scale of "unnecessary to criminal"? Is sport or recreation a very valid reason?
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If the tiny tin-can-shooter .22's used for biathlon were the kinds of weapons people who "brag about their gun arsenal and the protection it provides" primarily owned, I have a feeling mass-casualty incidents like yesterday's would be a hell of a lot more rare.
 
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