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Paul Ryan wants to wait until facts are collected. :boggled:

Does he have no clue when he repeats that knee-jerk NRA talking point that those facts have already been collected in all the past mass shootings?
 
I wonder if he had to explain his last name to the white supremacists. Cruz. Hey, isn't that a Mexican or Latino name? Yeah man, but here's the story behind it....
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Your satire fails with misinformation. The kid was reported by students, Cruz was expelled. There are reports that police and or FBI had crossed this guy's path but didn't act or weren't able to or did but didn't do enough.
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False. FBI was distracted. They should have been investigating this kid instead of the President. No collusion.
 
Accused South Florida school shooter confessed to rampage that killed 17 people, police say

Washington Post said:
The 19-year-old accused of gunning down 17 people at his former high school admitted he carried out the shooting rampage, authorities said in court papers filed Thursday.

Police wrote that Nikolas Cruz, who has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder, told officers that he walked into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Wednesday wielding an AR-15 rifle and began shooting students in the hallways and outside on the school’s grounds.

Once students began to flee the carnage, Cruz dropped his rifle and vest packed with additional ammunition “so he could blend into the crowd,” an officer wrote in a probable-cause affidavit. Cruz had taken an Uber to the school, officials wrote, so he fled on foot along with those running from the scene. An officer found him not long afterward walking on a residential street....
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ct-booked-on-17-counts-of-murder-premeditated
 
What if the USA enacted by legislation similar restrictive Gun Laws that Canada has? ... Surely our socialist state would have stopped such a crime???

Frankly? ... No in this case and in most most cases it would make no difference ...

He HAD a background check ... In Canada he would have had to d thats AND, pass a mandatory gun handling, and safety test (most people also take the course but it's not required I didn't) ...

From what I've read he knows how to operate a firearm and even had it stored (locked up with a key lock) to Canadian standards, so he would've passed that test even without even taking the course.

All that effort would have delayed his FIRST long gun purchase a week, maybe two, at most ... after that in Canada you can buy as many long guns as you want.

The SPECIFIC firearm he used (an AR-15 variant) requires a restricted permit here ... but he may have instead, simply chosen a Beretta Cx4 Storm (for one quick example) or anyone one of a dozen other firearms that are NOT legally restricted as AR-15 variants here in Canada (hey have the same "firepower" same cartridge, some even have the same magazines, and some are more accurate than Ar-15 Variants)

So why does Canada have less "school type mass shootings" ,.. I have theory, could it be universal health care? ... With access to meds and support for crazy people? ... All school shooters are mentally unstable and deranged ... as evidence by the crimes that commit ...

Does taking care of these crazies reduce mass shootings ... is this why Canada and European nations have less shootings?

I'm not trying to say that I KNOW ... this ... but just offering up it for debate ... perhaps there's a connection?
 
pgwenthold said:
Dude, you are supposed to be satirical and not just parrot the President. It blows your schtick.

Of course, the guy WAS reported to the Feds months ago and they didn't do anything about him.
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Cain for President. If it has to be a farce, it may as well be deliberate.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Castilian actually.
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A number of messed up Hispanics trying to join White Supremist Groups use the "Pure Castillian Blood" routine.

Next he will be be claiming he is a direct descendent of El Cid.....
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Correct. It makes sense. The leader could be trying to tie an independent white supremacist to his cause. It is the same way ISIS claims every Muslim attacker was one of theirs.
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Ah yes of course, that makes sense - except for the fact that I can't come up with an example of another white supremacist group in America doing that in the aftermath of any other school/mass shooting, which suggests it would be relatively unprecedented for it to suddenly start happening now.
 
Yeggster said:
What if the USA enacted by legislation similar restrictive Gun Laws that Canada has? ... Surely our socialist state would have stopped such a crime???

Frankly? ... No in this case and in most most cases it would make no difference ...

He HAD a background check ... In Canada he would have had to d thats AND, pass a mandatory gun handling, and safety test (most people also take the course but it's not required I didn't) ...

From what I've read he knows how to operate a firearm and even had it stored (locked up with a key lock) to Canadian standards, so he would've passed that test even without even taking the course.

All that effort would have delayed his FIRST long gun purchase a week, maybe two, at most ... after that in Canada you can buy as many long guns as you want.

The SPECIFIC firearm he used (an AR-15 variant) requires a restricted permit here ... but he may have instead, simply chosen a Beretta Cx4 Storm (for one quick example) or anyone one of a dozen other firearms that are NOT legally restricted as AR-15 variants here in Canada (hey have the same "firepower" same cartridge, some even have the same magazines, and some are more accurate than Ar-15 Variants)

So why does Canada have less "school type mass shootings" ,.. I have theory, could it be universal health care? ... With access to meds and support for crazy people? ... All school shooters are mentally unstable and deranged ... as evidence by the crimes that commit ...

Does taking care of these crazies reduce mass shootings ... is this why Canada and European nations have less shootings?

I'm not trying to say that I KNOW ... this ... but just offering up it for debate ... perhaps there's a connection?
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News said he had received treatment at one point but stopped. Not clear if lack of availability/cost was an issue or if he just didn't want treatment. News also says loving adoptive parents but both died on him so that might have triggered some stuff. Guess we'll be hearing a lot more details in the coming days. Apparently this guy was just reeking of warning signs, though.
 
Yeggster said:
What if the USA enacted by legislation similar restrictive Gun Laws that Canada has? ... Surely our socialist state would have stopped such a crime???

Frankly? ... No in this case and in most most cases it would make no difference ...

He HAD a background check ... In Canada he would have had to d thats AND, pass a mandatory gun handling, and safety test (most people also take the course but it's not required I didn't) ...

From what I've read he knows how to operate a firearm and even had it stored (locked up with a key lock) to Canadian standards, so he would've passed that test even without even taking the course.

All that effort would have delayed his FIRST long gun purchase a week, maybe two, at most ... after that in Canada you can buy as many long guns as you want.

The SPECIFIC firearm he used (an AR-15 variant) requires a restricted permit here ... but he may have instead, simply chosen a Beretta Cx4 Storm (for one quick example) or anyone one of a dozen other firearms that are NOT legally restricted as AR-15 variants here in Canada (hey have the same "firepower" same cartridge, some even have the same magazines, and some are more accurate than Ar-15 Variants)

So why does Canada have less "school type mass shootings" ,.. I have theory, could it be universal health care? ... With access to meds and support for crazy people? ... All school shooters are mentally unstable and deranged ... as evidence by the crimes that commit ...

Does taking care of these crazies reduce mass shootings ... is this why Canada and European nations have less shootings?

I'm not trying to say that I KNOW ... this ... but just offering up it for debate ... perhaps there's a connection?
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Your assumption that Cruz (and others) are crazy by default because of the crimes they commit is wrong and no psychiatrist would make diagnoses like this.
 
I love that they are showing that picture of him in the MAGA hat over and over again.

I guess The_Donald and other places were wrong, wrong, wrong that he would turn out to be a Hillary voting illegal.
 
lionking said:
Your assumption that Cruz (and others) are crazy by default because of the crimes they commit is wrong and no psychiatrist would make diagnoses like this.
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Yes my opinion is NO sane person kills 17 defenceless person ...

Now if you mean "legally insane" as far as answering in court ... NO I agree with you there ... it's all about levels of insanity.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How does the current situation limit their power?
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Their power is only limited relative to how it would be if guns were restricted. Restricting guns gives them more legal latitude to further harass and intimidate the public.
 
Yeggster said:
Yes my opinion is NO sane person kills 17 defenceless person ...

Now if you mean "legally insane" as far as answering in court ... NO I agree with you there ... it's all about levels of insanity.
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I don't even agree with your first point. There are many instances of fully sane, rational people killing multiple times. You can't automatically declare them insane if that word is to retain its intended meaning.
 
Travis said:
I love that they are showing that picture of him in the MAGA hat over and over again.

I guess The_Donald and other places were wrong, wrong, wrong that he would turn out to be a Hillary voting illegal.
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So you're saying that this individual - a suspected MS-13 member who came to this country through chain migration according to unnamed sources1 - wore a MAGA hat in order to falsely smear Trump supporters? This goes deeper that I might have expected.

1. Some dude on reddit.
 
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