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RUST murder By accident? / Did NRA training Cause the Rust Accident?

Crazy Chainsaw said:
Actually it's only a 45, the old cowboy load of low powder round, if it doesn't hit Bone it will make a small hole going in and a small hole going out.
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Warp12 said:
Yeah, them .45 Long Colt's you can catch in your teeth, no prob. Weak load.
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
The gun is an 1873 Colt smokeless power wasn't invented utill 1884.
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Did they use rounds made in 1873, also? These are modern replicas, designed to be used with modern ammunition. You are talking about at least a 200 grain bullet moving at 1000 fps, fired point-blank.
 
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Warp12 said:
Did they use rounds made in 1873, also? These are modern replicas, designed to be used with modern ammunition. You are talking about at least a 200 grain bullet moving at 1000 fps, fired point-blank.
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In the newer ones yes you can shoot 45 long Colt, in the older guns and the older replicas they use cowboy loads or black powder.
 
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He seemed to think it was 'cold' so shouldn't have been loaded with anything
 
Captain_Swoop said:
He seemed to think it was 'cold' so shouldn't have been loaded with anything
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The Armouror stated she loaded it with six dummy rounds after lunch, want to bet one of those was a dud Round, mistaken for a Dummy because it had an indentation on the primer?
In dummy rounds I have made I have replaced the primers with red Silicone or Green plastic, so you can tell they are dummy rounds.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
The Armouror stated she loaded it with six dummy rounds after lunch, want to bet one of those was a dud Round, mistaken for a Dummy because it had an indentation on the primer?
In dummy rounds I have made I have replaced the primers with red Silicone or Green plastic, so you can tell they are dummy rounds.
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Is it a bit silly to expect dummy rounds to be, well 'dummy rounds', instead of formerly 'live rounds'?

Why start with live rounds anyway, and not just go with, say, solid rounds, which are incapable of being fired?
 
erwinl said:
Is it a bit silly to expect dummy rounds to be, well 'dummy rounds', instead of formerly 'live rounds'?

Why start with live rounds anyway, and not just go with, say, solid rounds, which are incapable of being fired?
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They would cost more to manufacture.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
The Armouror stated she loaded it with six dummy rounds after lunch, want to bet one of those was a dud Round, mistaken for a Dummy because it had an indentation on the primer?
In dummy rounds I have made I have replaced the primers with red Silicone or Green plastic, so you can tell they are dummy rounds.
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Sure, I'll take that bet. What are the stakes? Avatars? How will the outcome be determined?
 
Mind you I haven't been following this thread or the endless chatter in the media about this, but. . .I can see a small part of this accident easily happening. . .

The eye sometimes sees what the brain tells it to see. A couple of days ago I saw this back blob under my kitchen table and my brain told me it was my black cat.

it turns out it was an old towel the other cat had dragged there to use as a bed. Had I not looked closer I might have left the house on an errand thinking the black cat was in the house and left the little boy out in the cold Kentucky rain.

I can imagine an actor, upon being told that a gun is safe, believing it because that's how the actor thinks it's supposed to be. My understanding is that actors are supposed to check the firearm one last time. But I could imagine an actor looking down at a weapon and seeing what he thinks he is supposed to be there.

What I can't figure is how a live round got within a a mile of the set. My understanding is that live rounds are just not needed in the film process anymore.

And what possessed Baldwin to point the gun at somebody and pull the trigger during a rehearsal?

I know he says he didn't pull the trigger, but I doubt his recollection.

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Crazy Chainsaw said:
Agreed but it does illiterate the fact that it doesn't allow you to know if the sear is engaging in these old guns.
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What difference does it make? If the cast and crew had been brilliant on the basics of firearms safety it wouldn't have mattered. We have all of our safety procedures because a weapon can malfunction or mistakes can be made in loading and handling.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
They would cost more to manufacture.
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Why would that be so much of a problem, when seen in the context for an entire movie? You only have to make a bunch of these once, and can use them forever.

Heck! Make them a bit smaller in diameter and a bit shorter (not so much that it is visible) and put something of an insert in the cylinder (if revolver) or chamber (if pistol or rifle), so that these weapons only accept these particular sized rounds. That way it would not be possible for live rounds to be fed into the weapons, as these would simply be to large/long and you can still film those scenes where ammo has to be visibly handled.
 
There are forms of these "dud" cartridges that don't explode at all and are completely reusable, right? If they cost a bit more than a live round that would not be an obstacle. I don't exactly know what I'm looking at but I see dummy rounds at Amazon for one or two dollars apiece.
 
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