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Cont: Roe v Wade overturned - this is some BS part II

Someone has to challenge that Texas law where an uninvolved person can rat on an abortion and collect money.

Must be something in federal law against it. It bypasses courts. But sharp legal minds need to argue it in front of the SC.
 
Tero said:
Someone has to challenge that Texas law where an uninvolved person can rat on an abortion and collect money.

Must be something in federal law against it. It bypasses courts. But sharp legal minds need to argue it in front of the SC.
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The current SC? The one where the radical right wingers are currently looking quite sympathetic to ending the ability of government agencies to impose fines or take other punitive actions against those who violate government regulations without a jury trial by using a claim about a ruling over 200 years old from another country?

"Sharp legal minds" mean remarkably little in the face of intentional sabotage of the country so that the rich and powerful can run rampant over the rest of us.
 
Well, obviously , women are not as rational as old white men, and we all know that all pregnant women are crazy.
Fundamentally, letting women vote and get an education is the problem.
 
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No, cruelty is the plan - cruelty and control over women. You can tell this is true by the number of "pro-lifers" that are also "anti-birth control". You can tell Republicans are not at all interested in the children once they are born. They oppose and vote against legislation that would support pre and neonatal care; they oppose and vote against measures to make the lives of needy children better, they oppose and vote against child tax credits.

- The more pregnant women who are forced to term against their will, the easier it is to inflict economic hardship on them.
- The more women who are forced into economic dependence, the fewer there will be who will find a way to escape an abuser.
- The more women in poverty, the more control and domination there is over them.
- The more raped women who are denied the right to terminate, the more they will be inflicted with trauma and narrowed options.
- The more raped under-aged girls who are forced to term, the more they will themselves be collateral desperate dependents.

Anti-choice is the hard mechanics of misogyny - the cruelty is the mathematics of control.
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The more women who die during pregancy, like Savita Halappanavar, the more cowed the rest of them will be.
 
Unsurprisingly, the all-GQP Texas supreme court has overturned the lower court's decision.

A moot point though, as the patient in question has left the state to have the procedure carried out, which presumably will result in her having to stay out of Texas for good.
 
The Atheist said:
There's a positive result at least.
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I'm not sure that's a given, though if I were in her place I'd never go back. But I think, last I heard, that the woman would not be charged with a crime here - only those performing or enabling the abortion (with that latter category so inclusive it covers everyone from the doctor down to a cab driver who takes her to a clinic).
 
smartcooky said:
No, cruelty is the plan - cruelty and control over women. You can tell this is true by the number of "pro-lifers" that are also "anti-birth control". You can tell Republicans are not at all interested in the children once they are born. They oppose and vote against legislation that would support pre and neonatal care; they oppose and vote against measures to make the lives of needy children better, they oppose and vote against child tax credits.

- The more pregnant women who are forced to term against their will, the easier it is to inflict economic hardship on them.
- The more women who are forced into economic dependence, the fewer there will be who will find a way to escape an abuser.
- The more women in poverty, the more control and domination there is over them.
- The more raped women who are denied the right to terminate, the more they will be inflicted with trauma and narrowed options.
- The more raped under-aged girls who are forced to term, the more they will themselves be collateral desperate dependents.

Anti-choice is the hard mechanics of misogyny - the cruelty is the mathematics of control.
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Make it a felony to get an abortion. Then make it felony to help other people get an abortion. Then make it felony to help people travel out of state to get an abortion. Then make promoting abortion a felony. Keep pushing this until you make "basically being pro-abortion into a felony" as much as you can reasonably get away with.

Make it so felons can't vote, which is sadly already the norm and wouldn't be hard if it even took effort.

Boom. You've just basically taken away the right to vote from a large number of women (and as a bonus you'll get a lot of liberal men in the net as well) without having to make repeal the Voting Rights Amendment.

In other words exactly what they did with black people and the drug war.
 
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Every time I think of Republicans and the "compassionate conservative" crap they spew I want to throw up.
 
bruto said:
I'm not sure that's a given, though if I were in her place I'd never go back. But I think, last I heard, that the woman would not be charged with a crime here - only those performing or enabling the abortion (with that latter category so inclusive it covers everyone from the doctor down to a cab driver who takes her to a clinic).
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Correct. Texas doesn't have a ban on women traveling out of state to get an abortion.
 
Stacyhs said:
Correct. Texas doesn't have a ban on women traveling out of state to get an abortion.
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Not yet, but also no penalty for women getting an abortion in state, should that be possible.

There is a point to this, I'm assuming, because the law is so asinine and the standing of civil complaints so badly arranged that making women liable could lead to a spate of spurious suits against any women who are presumed by anyone to have been pregnant and found no longer to be.

The law is bad enough as it is, of course, but if it were extended to women themselves, it would mean that essentially any woman of childbearing age or presumed to be who is not known to be pregnant could be sued by anyone, and the law specifically bars the accuser from having to pay the defendant's costs, even if the suit is summarily dismissed. The potential for malicious mischief is great enough, I suspect, that such an inclusion would doom the law as unworkable.

Nuisance laws are very powerful, especially when their victims lack financial resources, job security, or citizenship. It doesn't matter all that much of a suit is dismissed, if it bankrupts you, gets you evicted, fired, or deported. Though a bipartisan ploy at times, it seems recently Republicans have become masters of the art. Bad laws are expendable, doing damage until thrown out, replaceable when they are.
 
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In other ridiculous and heartless case:

A 33-year-old Ohio woman who was 22 weeks pregnant when she suffered the loss of her pregnancy is now being charged with abuse of a corpse, a fifth-degree felony, because it happened over a toilet and the expelled material — uterine lining, blood clumps and, yes, what remained of an unviable fetus — clogged the pipes.
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The nightmare scenario that Warren, Ohio, resident Brittany Watts is experiencing right now is exactly what every person capable of pregnancy feared when Roe vs. Wade was overturned in 2022. In this strange, new world, a nonviable clump of cells has more legal rights than the grieving parents who suffered a medical emergency. According to a local media source, the Tribune Chronicle, Watts visited a local hospital twice where she was informed the pregnancy was nonviable, and was turned away. She then “miscarried the baby while using the restroom and tried to plunge and flush the remains down the toilet, where it got stuck in the pipes.” The toilet was removed by police and taken to the county coroner’s office as evidence in the criminal case against her, according to court documents. “Rather than focusing on healing physically and emotionally, she was arrested and charged with a felony and is fighting for her freedom and her reputation,” said Traci Timko, Watts’ defense attorney. “Miss Watts learned days before this that a miscarriage was inevitable and that the fetus could not survive outside the womb due to gestational age. This fetus died in utero.”
According to a local television station, WKBN, forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified that he found no injury to the fetus during an autopsy and that the fetus had died before passing through the birth canal. But none of the nuance of this case seemed to matter to Warren Municipal Court Judge Terry Ivanchak, who placed Watts on a $5,000 bond and found there was probable cause for the case to go to the county’s grand jury.
“This 33-year-old girl, with no criminal record, is demonized for something that goes on every day,” Timko said. “Women miscarry into toilets every day. If the state of Ohio expects these women to fish those remains from the toilet and deliver them to a hospital, funeral home or crematorium, the laws need to be changed.” Are women supposed to drop to their knees to fish through their own blood and uterine lining inside a toilet bowl to find fetal remains? And what are we supposed to do with them after that?
Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article282803013.html#storylink=cpy
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Watts faces up to two years in prison.

This happened to my grandmother in the 1930's. She had a miscarriage into a toilet. She was far enough along that she could see it was a girl. She buried it in the backyard and never reported it.
 
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My mother's first pregnancy was ectopic, her second ended into a toilet bowl, I guess she's very very lucky that it was early enough the remains didn't clog. And also that Roe vs Wade protected her.
 
The US is ****** in so many ways it's hard to keep count.

Late next year it gets much worse.
 
i think the kind of self reflection necessary for them to realize it's not the state supreme court that got it wrong but that they got exactly what they asked for is impossible for some people

this was all predicted and warned about by "the left" who they hate enough to hurt themselves to spite them time and time again, so again they elected and empowered lunatics and fanatics. not sure what else to say about it, i wish they hadn't have done that.
 
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