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Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history

rlopez2 said:
http://www.mostdangerousman.org/press_materials/MDM_Show_Transcript.doc

(2:27:18) Over 2 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans died in the war.

The USA population was 166 millions at the start of the war in 1955 which lasted till 1975. So, as a people 58,000/166,000,000 = 0.00034939759 that is 0.034 % of gringos "freedom lovingly" died and since we should take into account that those US troops weren't really killing the Vietnamese but "greater gooding" them, letting them serve a "higher purpose" for which they should be very thankful, I think, we should use the lowest approximation: 2 million Vietnamese.

So USG's genocidal ratio in Vietnam was 2000000/0.00034939759 = 5,724,137,936.96
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Now compare that figure with the genocide by Nazis:

How many people were killed by Nazism, that is the European part of WWII: 50,542,100 (using the highest figures and including everybody killed in extermination camps, due to famines (even if not directly brought about by Nazis) ...)

What percentage of their own (German + Austrian people in general) were killed?
Deaths as % of 1939 population: 8.26 (lowest figure (contributing to a higher ratio))

Genocidal ratio by Nazism: (50,542,100 / 8.26) = ( 5054210000 / 826 ) = 6,118,898.30508475

So, as you could see freedom lovers during the Vietnam war were orders of magnitude more genocidal than even Nazis. How much more genocidal? Well, this one of the cool things about Math, "you can put a number on it": 5,724,137,936 / 6,118,898 = 935.485104671.

So, USG was 1000 times more genocidal than Nazis! Which begs the questionS:

a) how come they didn't tell me about such things in "U.S. History"/global studies classes?

b) Has USG learned anything? What was the genocidal ratio during their latest "freedom loving" wars in middle Eastern countries?

You are the graphic artist in town. I didn't want to abuse you with some 3rd grade Math. So, you have the two numbers and their quotient. I can't wait to see what you will do with those numbers artistically. You don’t really have to think of all other aspects factually relating to those "numbers".
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Waffle. Nonsense. Bafflegab.
 
Hans said:
You've come back lovely, now back to the questions and requests you keep running from:

Now can you apologize for the slaughter and enslavement of Native Americans by the Spanish/Portuguese?

Oh, and you still have not apologized for your name sake conquering the Philippines or the inquisition, or Spanish brutality towards the Dutch and Italian speaking people.

Why are the non-Gringo states in South America so warlike and constantly attacking one another?

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/f21987fdb51b81c372fca5468ed721df.png[/qimg]

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/d7f1c59419fdde8aa19174e3e66b55a4.png[/qimg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_South_America
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Still cannot face history or questions huh?
 
Again, I am not running away from your senselessly stupid "visual art". I am talking -genocide- and explaining what I mean in a measurable way while you are comparing a chart footed with time frames, having little fart "emotional" reactions expressed in short phrases and ganging up on me to make sure you are right, thinking I would spend the whole night sleeplessly sobbing. Don't you realize other people reading and thinking about what I have said in this thread notice that?

If you are more of a Monroe Doctrine kind of guy, you should then compare the systematic and almost total wipe out of the peoples inhabiting North American, which has continued to this very day. USG has been the main perpetrator, "victor" of such genocide:

// __ The Canary Effect: Save The Indian Kill The Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uk9S6fcdPk
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_massacres_in_North_America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
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if they could gringos would do that to all "regions" of the world. If I understood you well this is what you should use in your graphic art and compare it to those border skirmishes between Latin American countries. For you not to get overwhelmed by the Math, the genocide of Native American people by USG started in the 1610's, you may need to adjust a bit the scale of your graphic art.

I used Nazi Germany because that social development supposedly was the worst of the worst in Western History. As I have demonstrably shown USG/freedom lovers would not hold a moral high ground even to Nazism. Now you don't seem to be able to understand, express that with "visual art", what kind of artist are you?

The underlying tenet of "Western civilization" is that messing with "negritos" in "regions" of the world is OK, "the white man burden", "long live the queen", "conquer the world" (they have lately somehow forgotten the coda: "or die while trying" or don't feel like honoring it, "manifest destiny", ...). Nazism was way more honorable (to call it something) than freedom lovers have ever been. They, for one, went head on against people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis.

They say, "Israeli intelligence" helped them while droning Qassem Soleimani and the people with him at that moment in an act of abuse never seen in human history. They showed to the world how they see it. I wonder what is the problem. Why can't "Israeli intelligence" pinpoint Russia and China on a map to USG.

Something great about Trump is how he didn't care about "Obamism" he would put it honestly as he honestly thought. He would "keep it real": "ach! get their oil" (from middle Eastern countries), "we should sell Puerto Rico" and to AOC ("go back to your country"), "Mexican people are a bunch of rapists", "you have been droned for doing something you shouldn't be doing" (tm), ... his only disappointing moment was the disappearance of his bsing bravado when the Chinese hell well "did something they shouldn't be doing" (tm) and they did it on camera for the world to watch and enjoy.

Trump, was great while saying it as it was, when he quite honestly said talking about Iran that (I am paraphrasing, translating to plain Trumpian English): "they deserved what they got from us", (since) "they touched our money". Iran was fine until they did touch gringo money. He was also making fun about Iran following US war ships when they were in "international waters" (as gringos talk). However, when the Chinese rammed and sank their war ships in "international waters" killing 10 navy troops, USG became "responsible". They had a few posturings and verbal fartings and you would think things had started to get "interesting", but disappointingly indeed they stopped making fun of themselves.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/5/1...rview-transcript-bill-oreilly-super-bowl-2017

O’Reilly: So you’re not real bullish on Iran at this point.

Trump: I’m not bullish. I think they have total disrespect for our country and I understand that deal. I would have lived with it if they said “OK, were all together now,” but it’s just the opposite. It’s like they’re emboldened. They follow our planes, they circle our ships with their little boats and they lost respect because they can’t believe anybody could be so stupid as to make a deal like that.
 
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It's still nonsense.
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It is "nonsense" that freedom lovers have been 10 times more genocidal than Nazis and way less "morally grounded" while they have been at it and they continue doing so?

It is "nonsense" that USG has always cowardly become "responsible" when their bluff is called? Why is it they are not "themselves" in such cases? I remember someone saying USG would not confront China, Russia "because" they (gringos) are "great". So, safely abusing people who can't defend themselves on an equal basis is OK?

https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

Again, my pedestrian mind may not be able to reach the heights of the freedom loving mindset, but to most people abuse is what is not OK even if "you are hearing God telling you things". I wonder how is it exactly that the gringo "God" who tells them things can't find Russia and China on a map. At the very least their "God" could lend its GPS, no?
 
rlopez2 said:
It is "nonsense" that freedom lovers have been 10 times more genocidal than Nazis [...]
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Yes, it's been very clearly explained to you exactly why the completely arbitrary standard you pulled out of your anal orifice to support this claim is mathematically nonsensical. Your response has been to ignore all criticism and carry on spouting the same nonsense. As, a result, nobody's taking you seriously.

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rlopez2 said:
It is "nonsense" that freedom lovers have been 10 times more genocidal than Nazis and way less "morally grounded" while they have been at it and they continue doing so?

It is "nonsense" that USG has always cowardly become "responsible" when their bluff is called? Why is it they are not "themselves" in such cases? I remember someone saying USG would not confront China, Russia "because" they (gringos) are "great". So, safely abusing people who can't defend themselves on an equal basis is OK?

https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

Again, my pedestrian mind may not be able to reach the heights of the freedom loving mindset, but to most people abuse is what is not OK even if "you are hearing God telling you things". I wonder how is it exactly that the gringo "God" who tells them things can't find Russia and China on a map. At the very least their "God" could lend its GPS, no?
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It doesn't matter if you fix your sums. Your premise, or as much of it I can understand, is garbage.
 
the completely arbitrary standard you pulled out of your anal orifice to support this claim
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BTW, if you are "unAmerikan" and/or are reading this from "regions of the world", let me tell you that (most) gringos talk/are like this. They don't even realize they are actually supporting my point. This is what happens to you when you spend (1/4) of your life watching TV (statistics from the times when they didn't have the Internet and cell phones).

As I had already explained, the Math I pulled out of my anal orifice to support this claim is based on the following tractable facts:

a) a war is a confrontation of a people against other people, if you, as a people, are killed, that should be expressed as a ratio of the people killed divided by the total population;

b) all other people you (as a people) have killed should be expressed in terms of §a

You would do things this way in order to compare oranges to oranges in the best way you could or is it really you are avoiding answering the question: how come gringos have always 'been themselves' exclusively when it comes to safely calculated abuse?

The kinds of "answers" and reactions coming from you could serve as a formidable Anthropology.

I remember once I was talking to a colleague of mine who was a U.S. History teacher about the sense in which Hegel saw historical developments. To my amazement he agreed with my point to some extent about gringos having no history in that sense that is why they need Hollywood (a point also articulated by Patricia Ellsberg and true to matters Historian/Anthropologist Stephen Kinzer), but he told me that owning their history as German people do gringos would take as if they were actually rejoicing in their wrong doings. To me that was another example of gringo twisted thinking. It is like when gringos tell you that Germany had to be so "explicit" in their museums, "because" "they lost the war" (instead of saying that Nazi Germany had the integrity, balls of confronting forces on an equal basis right in Europe). He also asked me: but what are you going to teach as U.S. History? Alexander Solschenizyn, someone who had participated in WWII himself and was very critical of the abuses and excesses of the Russian government, was amazed at having gringos tell him that they had won the wwii for them, when freedom lovers only actively participated in the last (1/5) after Russians had stopped their Blitzkrieg and them. Contrary to freedom lovers who can and do engage in genocide for the fun of it, matters of economy were crucial for Nazis. They knew they would not be able to cope with the hellish offensive that Russia had mounted against them.

I even asked my friend to use paragraphs of speeches (including by the very Adolf Hitler) in his classes without telling the students who the actual author was and have a multiple choice to check the answer. He told me: "if I were to do that, they would expel me 'for other reasons' and I would not find a job ever again".
 
As I said, ignore all criticism and carry on ranting. It's like you can't stop yourself.
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Stop myself, why? From what? Your stupid comments while pretending not to "understand" what I am talking about? Also, I do believe the truth belongs in the four winds and as anyone could see I am not ad hominem at all, all I say I base on facts that anyone can see. Probably this is what you dislike, that someone puts squarely on your face truths you don't want to notice in your field of view.

Pretty much his MO. I guess we can just stand back and laugh as he rants and raves for awhile.
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Like this! I wonder what happened to his graphic artistic skills.
 
I'm developing a Pavlovian response to random backslashes and punctuation. I immediately think "this link is bull ****"
 
Some random Yahoo trying to convince his audience that BLM is an extension of a militant movement out of Africa. Author tries to draw parallels from Ethiopia and Liberation armies. Cliff notes version is like "dem negros is a-coming to clandestinely take over the USA". Or something.
 
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