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plague311 said:
Can someone summarize it for me? I refuse to click on random links from people I don't know.
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I gave it a go, it is about US foreign policy in Africa and how black lives matter has not been trying to address US damage there, specifically in Ethiopia. And how when Italy invaded Ethiopia there was recruitment drives in Harlem and other areas to go fight the fascists.

There is probably a reasonable point about how american foreign policy towards africa has been a less than positive thing in many areas, and that BLM does not focus on the damage the american government does to blacks in africa.

Of course BLM was not started about foreign policy and advocacy for foreign policy reform while valid is a separate issue.

Not sure how to grade the specific claims made about US foreign policy towards Ethiopia and how it has damaged that country as I am not willing to simply trust the statements it makes and inarguable fact.
 
* we will never apologize for dropping the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That would be as unAmerikan as it gets! To us it was enough we didn't drop them right in Europe ... (they may be right, but why did they go to the South China Sea to sink their own boats? and very carefully use language, diplomatic channels, silence, other sets of lies, ... when it comes to forces they will have to engage on an equal basis?)
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In case, you still believe those to be issues of the past, "another government", "our ancestors", ...:

// __ How to Wreck a Black Nation In the Age of “Black Lives Matter” | by Taytu Bitul | May, 2021

https://taytu.medium.com/how-to-wreck-a-black-nation-in-the-age-of-black-lives-matter-cdcd3f6239bf
 
ponderingturtle said:
I gave it a go, it is about US foreign policy in Africa and how black lives matter has not been trying to address US damage there, specifically in Ethiopia. And how when Italy invaded Ethiopia there was recruitment drives in Harlem and other areas to go fight the fascists.

There is probably a reasonable point about how american foreign policy towards africa has been a less than positive thing in many areas, and that BLM does not focus on the damage the american government does to blacks in africa.

Of course BLM was not started about foreign policy and advocacy for foreign policy reform while valid is a separate issue.

Not sure how to grade the specific claims made about US foreign policy towards Ethiopia and how it has damaged that country as I am not willing to simply trust the statements it makes and inarguable fact.
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There were like two lines in the article about BLM. It was mostly a soapbbox for the author's cause celebre.

More honest review than I gave yesterday: author talks about how the US profits off keeping a hand in banana republic style economies, and propaganda/misinformation in Ethiopia. Putting BLM in the title was basically clickbait.
 
rlopez2 said:
* we will never apologize for dropping the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That would be as unAmerikan as it gets! To us it was enough we didn't drop them right in Europe ... (they may be right, but why did they go to the South China Sea to sink their own boats? and very carefully use language, diplomatic channels, silence, other sets of lies, ... when it comes to forces they will have to engage on an equal basis?)
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In case, you still believe those to be issues of the past, "another government", "our ancestors", ...:

// __ How to Wreck a Black Nation In the Age of “Black Lives Matter” | by Taytu Bitul | May, 2021

https://taytu.medium.com/how-to-wreck-a-black-nation-in-the-age-of-black-lives-matter-cdcd3f6239bf
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Why do you have a K on America?

Also, what on earth are you talking about?
 
> they also worked the media to get Bolsonaro elected and you thought Trump to be a nut job

after arranging a media-based, relatively quiet coup de etat to get Dilma Rousseff out of the way. Then the Brazilian police "discovered" corruption in Brazil (really?!?), by Lula, ...

The NSA has mapped Brazil and Dilma (contrary to Angela Merkel’s reaction) didn’t seem to like that a bit:

// __ Brazilian president: US surveillance a 'breach of international law'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/24/brazil-president-un-speech-nsa-surveillance
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// __ 'US surveillance an affront' - Brazil's Rousseff to UN Assembly 2013 (FULL SPEECH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcKqJKtaPg
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Afterwards you could easily get the course of events. How could she effing dare to question the worldsonlysuperpower! I once heard an NSA officer saying (in reference to Brazil) that "they were just collecting all that data" when she was saying that she put even don’t worry be happy faces.

> The guy clearly said and maintained he wasn't "crazy" that he had done that in full consciousness.

as I remember it, he said he had done that in response to what he had seen "patriots" doing on the collateral murder video. Patriots were laughing, having great real fun as they "cleared" their machine guns on unsuspecting people. No wonder USG is so worried about Assange "stealing" "classified" information and making it public. You see they are not the corrupt people for acting in hiding and unmoral for what they were doing, but that rapist, good for nothing, Putin-spy Assange for exposing them.
 
Thermal said:
Author seemed upset about percentage of Tigers too. I kind of lost interest just prior to that.
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Which Tigers though?

Tamil Tigers? Leicester Tigers (especially after that over-time loss against Bristol)? Of Pan Tang?

Naaah, wait on, them's Tygers...

Or is it a sideways reference to the Bengals?

Oh, the suspense!
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Which Tigers though?

Tamil Tigers? Leicester Tigers (especially after that over-time loss against Bristol)? Of Pan Tang?

Naaah, wait on, them's Tygers...

Or is it a sideways reference to the Bengals?

Oh, the suspense!
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I assumed the Detroit Tigers.

Love to see OP come out and defend his position...whatever it might be. He could start with why a bitch and moan piece about US foreign policy in Ethiopia going back to the 1930's has to do with black civilians asking police to stop killing them in the States.
 
Ya know sumthin? I'll channel my inner rlopez2 and argue for him, since he seems otherwise occupied.

The US doesn't really care about Black Lives. Hypocrites. Look, here's an article about how the States seem to officially support bad guys that hurt Ethiopians, and have done so for a long time.

Counter argument: foreign policy is based on furthering and protection of national interest, and the States will cut people of any color if it furthers a greater goal. High level international relations can be a bitch like that. What does this have to do with BLM again?
 
Thermal said:
He could start with why a bitch and moan piece about US foreign policy in Ethiopia going back to the 1930's has to do with black civilians asking police to stop killing them in the States.
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It's pretty simple; if you're not solving all of the problems, you're not allowed to solve any of the problems.
 
I wonder why this is in non-USA politics, if American foreign policy is the presumed topic? Maybe OP is really pissed about the Tigers, too? Do we have a zoology subforum? Maybe he's looking for the thread over there.
 
plague311 said:
Can someone summarize it for me? I refuse to click on random links from people I don't know.
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Sure, read on, but not this nonsense.

Thermal said:
Some random Yahoo trying to convince his audience that BLM is an extension of a militant movement out of Africa. Author tries to draw parallels from Ethiopia and Liberation armies. Cliff notes version is like "dem negros is a-coming to clandestinely take over the USA". Or something.
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Utterly incorrect.

First off, BLM is only relevant in the title, and as a means of noting the difference in policy towards people of African heritage in USA and Africa - the piece itself is about UN and US support for an organisation that essentially practised Apartheid on the majority population while being funded by UN/USA.

I've been interested in Ethiopia for a long time, and the article seems to be pretty close to what I understand is the truth about the country.

It may look like a CT on casual glance, but the subject is real and yet another indictment on white people ******* with Africa.
 
The Atheist said:
Sure, read on, but not this nonsense.



Utterly incorrect.

First off, BLM is only relevant in the title, and as a means of noting the difference in policy towards people of African heritage in USA and Africa - the piece itself is about UN and US support for an organisation that essentially practised Apartheid on the majority population while being funded by UN/USA.

I've been interested in Ethiopia for a long time, and the article seems to be pretty close to what I understand is the truth about the country.

It may look like a CT on casual glance, but the subject is real and yet another indictment on white people ******* with Africa.
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Yeah, if you read a couple posts down, I cleaned up that review. The first was meant as seagull bait.
 
Man, if this guy and Yrreg ever got together we'd all need to wear dosimeters.

By the way, I hear tell that people from Spain once did horrible things to the people they found in the "new" world. Fortunately for the descendants of those Spanish invaders, only a small-minded dolt would hold people responsible for atrocities committed by their ancestors.
 
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