plague311
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Thanks for taking one for the team. I assumed it was something extremely nonsensical.
Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history
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Thanks for taking one for the team. I assumed it was something extremely nonsensical.
Belz...
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What, no numerology thrown in?
Thermal
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Figured it was my turn to shove my nose into a pile of dog ****.
As you might have guessed, textbook conspiracy theorist vibe. Drawing weird correlations and coming to inexplicable conclusions, deep diving into irrelevant history and not remotely approaching anything that ties into the premise.
TheSupermeerkat
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No one is pretending not to understand. You are typing gibberish that makes sense only to yourself.
Thermal
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Author seemed upset about percentage of Tigers too. I kind of lost interest just prior to that.
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Norman Alexander
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Getting your news from cheap supermarket trash-rags and ultra-loony conspiracy websites.
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Matthew 7:6
Almost a century after we were shown the way by your ancestors. By the way we are still waiting for you apology over your name sake Lopez doing what he did to the Philippines.
"Border skirmishes": The Paraguayan War (1864–1870) killed up to 69% of population of that country. Who committed that genocide, can you bring yourself to write it down? Whose the liar now...really, skirmishes huh, LOL?
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No one? When I talk about such themes internationalskepticals have been complaining from my use of punctuation marks, my broken English, ... to what a fraction, number should be (even people claiming to have degrees in Math) ...
OK, you were asking me to summarize my comment for people's attention span. Here is just one question with its explicit context:
Why is it that "the brave" find so "freedom lovingly" easy to abuse people who can't defend themselves on an equal basis, but then find handy another set of lies: "we must be 'responsible'", change the lyrics and the tone of their songs to the point of going mute when their bluff is called?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
and anyone can notice that you are being persuasive here, from the wikipedia page:
Later academic work based on demographics produced a wide range of estimates, from a possible low of 21,000 (7% of population) (Reber, 1988) to as high as 69% of the total prewar population (Whigham, Potthast, 1999).
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I still wonder what happened to your skills as a graphic artist. I celebrate your renewed interest in Math. Now you are talking percentages!
Anyone can notice that when I did my Math while comparing the genocide of Nazism to freedom lovers’, I used the best figure for freedom lovers and the worst for Nazism and I explained the reasons why.
That was a war of abuse of the many partially created by colonialism of three larger South American bordering states against Paraguay. Did you take the time to investigate the matter deeply? Well, no you were just using that war to justify the carefully chosen gringo genocides, excesses and abuses.
Now lets go back to your new love for percentages. What is the percentage of Native American peoples exterminated by USG’s genocides?
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Hans
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Why don't you just look it up? What's wrong with you? LOL
What was the percent of native Americans killed by invaders from Portugal and Spain?
You also seemed to be unable to understand the slaughter of SA by SAG.
What no apology from you for Lopez invasion of the Philippines?
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Once again, yes my last name is López, but this is one of the most common last names of people with Spanish or Portuguese/Brazilian cultural ancestry. What the preposterous eff do I have to do with this guy or that invasion? Are you so challenged that you have the need to react so idiotically to my comments?
OK, here is the answer to your question and I will even help you answer mine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal
I remember after that incident all they did was put on their Saturday night uniform and have some visual show/movie during the arrival of the coffins with the sailors who had been killed. Trump and his verbal fartings were conspicuously mute. That was one of the few times I found him disappointing.
// __ 'Out of sight': Trump confirms USS John McCain was hidden from his view
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rtedly-steers-uss-john-mccain-away-from-trump
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The same happened when gringos, after having been brainwashed/told for decades that only "unAmerikan" lowlifes in Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, ... would do such things as spying on their own, realized that the NSA/USG was actually way more intrusive in their spying than the stasi, KGB, ... would have had it in their wildest dreams. One of their media darlings, Carl Sagan, had been telling them that 1984 obviously was about "Stalinist Russia" when George Orwell himself spoke to the contrary.
// __ Obama Speech: President on Phone Data Collection Program | The New York Times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUdm0QMDM0
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What did gringos do? Well, they collectively went: "Oh, now I know what 'metadata' is. I thought it was some sort of Dominican dance" and that was all there was to it. Isn't that amazing!?! Specially when you take into consideration that they are "Amerikans". What would then be left for those of us with a pedestrian, unAmerikan mind/life?
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// __ 'State of Surveillance' with Edward Snowden and Shane Smith (VICE on HBO: Season 4, Episode 13)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucRWyGKBVzo
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// __ Government Surveillance: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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As you see right here, most Gringos wholeheartedly believe in their government's propaganda, including that only "freedom haters", "unAmerikan" idiots would propagandize their people. They even act themselves, like web bots. It is just not that their government used web bots (both AI based and actual people serving as turks) for "social control". I have heard that half of all what is written on the Internet originates in algorithms and that the experts couldn't even tell apart web bots from actual comments by people. What I find amazing is we the people themselves, even those who consider themselves to be skeptically smart talk and think like web bots!
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Are you so challenged that what you just said also applies to YOU trying to hold others accountable or responsible for what happened centuries ago or done by a past government - which seems to be the focus of your questions.
You're a very silly person and just made the point no one here is responsible. So instead of screaming all the time why don't you think about this?
Your strolling about screaming is both silly and rather stupid.
Norman Alexander
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It is what his orange hero in FL does all day too. Copying him??
Thank you for getting to the essence of one of my points. I also see that you have gone from defending "great old glory" to trying to qualify and constrain USGs wrong doings.
You can read English even much better than I write it, so that shouldn't be a problem. I am sure you can get a few books about the history of your own country. Here are some I would suggest:
https://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/1620973928/
"Every teacher, every student of history, every citizen should read this book. It is both a refreshing antidote to what has passed for history in our educational system and a one-volume education in itself." ―Howard Zinn
https://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805082409/
https://www.amazon.com/True-Flag-Theodore-Roosevelt-American/dp/1627792163/
https://www.amazon.com/All-Shahs-Men-American-Middle/dp/047018549X/
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Stephen-Kinzer-Hardcover/dp/B00IIB41LW/
https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-United-States/dp/0062397346/
https://www.amazon.com/Stamped-Beginning-Definitive-History-National/dp/1568585985/
https://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0375714499/
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You will clearly understand "freedom loving" people they can safely abuse is not something that "happened centuries ago or done by a past government" it is the very essence of the U.S. government which they have kept doing to this very day.
USG has been doing "regime changes", including assassinating democratically elected presidents that were not "their dogs". The difference with the latest case of droning the de facto vice president of Iran for "doing something he shouldn't be doing" (tm) is that they have started to do it in the open and Trump was even bragging about it.
Axxman300
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I heard Iraqi Intelligence found out Qassem Soleimani had dandruff. Seems they found his Head & Shoulders in the trunk.
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That you are wrong and using the wrong tactic - this is a conspiracy board
Do you understand that?
Your seem to want to talk about politics and history - do you know the difference?
Why are you lying? I made no such comments - repeat that again and I will report you to a mod. This tactics isn't gonna work either Lopez. You obviously want to go thru your canned well-reheasrse set of copy and paste comments that you've made many times on other boards....very boring.
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I heard Iraqi Intelligence found out Qassem Soleimani had dandruff. Seems they found his Head & Shoulders in the trunk.
Amusing I must ask one of my students to translate that into Iranian
Pixel42
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Blaming people alive today for crimes committed by their distant ancestors is of course a major cause of much of the world's continuing violence. Civilised people learn to recognise and override their natural animal tribalism, but the percentage of the population that is civilised seems to be dropping at the moment.
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Blaming people alive today for crimes committed by their distant ancestors is of course a major cause of much of the world's continuing violence. Civilised people learn to recognise and override their natural animal tribalism, but the percentage of the population that is civilised seems to be dropping at the moment.
It does seem that way: An Englishman I knew said it this way; in the past everyone's ancestors were all right royal bastards.
Maybe we should hold an election on this forum and select one person to be responsible for all the stupid things done in history...
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As I have demonstrably showed it is not "their distant ancestors". "Freedom loving" people is the very essence of the U.S. government. There wouldn't be any existential reason for them to be. Read those books about the history of your own country/the U.S.! They have so far very effectively used lies to feed it to other people, their own people (gringos) and to themselves in their bsing "doctrines", "philosophies" and self-helping ideations:
* "we don't invade countries, but 'liberate' them"
* "when we are genocidal it is 'different', we don't kill people, we 'greatergood' them"
* "we are the land of the "free (with by far the highest incarceration rate in the world)
* "... and 'the' 'brave'" (when all they have ever done is "freedom loving", "liberating", ... people they can safely abuse and "responsibly" using another set of lies, when their "freedom loving" bs is tested by powers which can defend themselves on an equal basis)
* Trump: "I will unleash the military on civilian people" (during the BLM demonstrations) "because" "we are a great nation"
* "give me the tired the poor and huddled masses" ... (Harris' latest suggestions to Guatemalan people not to go North in that dangerous trek, certainly not to the CIA, U.S. enterprises about the same trek South)
* "the school of the Americas" (later renamed "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation"): a madraza for terrorist and dictators which end up with an amazing probability running their countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation
were they train freedom lovers to do such things as blowing up a plane packed with teenagers returning home after winning all the medals in the PANAM games, in the name of "freedom", "democracy" and all that USG bs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviación_Flight_455
and, as part of the double tappings Obama was so proud of, which people not exactly known for their human kindness were telling him were stupidly senseless (actual terrorists know well they are not supposed to get anywhere near a previous droned area, so it must have been their families or nurses/doctors/care givers), USG chose to "add insult to injury" by protecting their "schooled dogs" who even received a Presidential pardon (Bush senior) out of prison and whose "rights" were protected by USG even though they had been imprisoned by the justice department for a score of other unrelated actions and sought by various Latin American courts for all kinds of criminal actions which included publicly kicking a pregnant woman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Bosch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_H._W._Bush
"Orlando Bosch — released but not pardoned by Bush"
I didn't even know a U.S. President could just "released" a well-known terrorist out of prison. I wonder why USG had resorted to word play? Aren't they being themselves?
* "we won WWII" (when they only participated in the last (1/5) of the world, after Russia had pretty much single handedly, at greater cost and at a moment when they were existentially dealing with themselves, to the amazement of the whole world, would could not even "understand" the news, stopped their Blitzkrieg and them (with some logistical help), to then role them over all the way back to Berlin)
* "after winning WWII all we did was dropping candies on people" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_Halvorsen) …
Great Lord! You have to have dropped lots of candies to, just to cite an example (Pforzheim in Germany), kill 21,200 in 12 minutes. Now, in those times killing people was not that "easy". You couldn't do it from an air conditioned container in Texas. It entailed costly physical requirements. USG says Pforzheim was an important fine technique center were bombs were being made, but what about Dresden? There they didn't even produce mouse traps!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_strategic_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pforzheim_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
// __ Dresden Blasted (1945)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7jVdGOICkE
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Something interesting about "freedom loving" is how strategic they got about bombing civilians instead of being strategic while facing Nazism head on as Russia did.
Even if Nazi Germany had destroyed their whole country, the Russian military, never engaged in such freedom loving air raids against civil populations. The French didn't either even if Germany had temporarily occupied their country. Germany lived for centuries nervous about France invading, occupying them again. Leibniz was even trying to convince the "sun's king" to invade Egypt instead ... Nazis just went in the other direction for a change.
France left right after the world. Russians left more than three decades ago. Both, gringo and British troops remain in Germany.
// __ Germany is the Tell-Tale Heart of America's Drone War
https://theintercept.com/2015/04/17/ramstein/
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* "we won WWII by having Alan Turing decipher the enigma" (freedom lovers are so smart, that they didn't even have to actually fight the war heads on against Nazism)
* "we won the cold war by having Ronald Reagan 'stand tall to them'" ... I found amazing, that as usual gringos have ideated another set of lies, now they are even pretending "they didn't win the cold war"!
* "we didn't even have to win the cold war. The USSR did us the favor of wining it for us by being so badly managed" ... they forget part of the "U.S. management" is their imperialistic bs.
Moreover, as part of dismantling the "communist" block those good for nothing Russians went through a thorough and "collaborative" diplomatic effort to dismantle military and spy basis around the world and give people their own freedom, including large territorial concessions (actually quite large!), something never seen in human history. They even stopped patrolling "international waters" with their nuclear submarines for two decades. "Victorious" USG never did for a single day. When Russia went back to business USG was shocked: Great Lord! Look how crazy those Russians are! They have gone back to patrolling our waters with their nuclear submarines, how unreasonably are those „Untermeschen“! Those lowlifes can't even understand "we are being ourselves" because God is telling us to do so, that "we are doing them a favor"! ...
* "we are a Christian nation" (1/3 of gringos -literally- believe in the story of genesis) so all we do to other people is guided by our kosher Christian believes, we just don't want to have to think about our Christian deeds. Only God should watch over them. We certainly don't appreciate when they are put in our field of view ...
* "we hear God telling us things" (that we should make sure "progress", "justice", ... prevails in the world)
* we care about "democracy", "the rule of law", "justice" ... (unless that "democracy", "the rule of law", "justice" ... is not exactly the kind that would be beneficially exploitable to us)
* we had placed some war ships on the coast of Brazil when we discovered they have huge oil reserves in the sea, but they were "in international waters" ... (the also worked the media to get Bolsonaro elected and you thought Trump to be a nut job, even the British royalty has expressed their shock at having a people elect such a person. Trumps secretly recorded "you just grab them by their pussy" would be a teenage comment compared to Bolsonaro's statements)
Bolsonaro's son was directly implicated in the assassination of Brazilian congress representative Franco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marielle_Franco
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/17/marielle-franco-brazil-assassination-suspect/
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-elected-president-brazil/
https://theintercept.com/2019/03/18/jair-bolsonaro-family-militias-gangs-brazil/
What did USG did? Well, they even promoted Bolsonaro's son as their man in Brazil:
https://theintercept.com/2019/03/18/bolsonaro-trump-meeting/
Bannon's international far-right alliance called The Movement named Congressperson Eduardo Bolsonaro as its South American representative last month.
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* those crazily unAmerikan Chinese have been ramming merchant ships against our war ships "in international waters". Great Lord! How unreasonably! ...
* those crazy nut jobs once again at it! Now they are "stealing our property" ...
// __ China's Navy seizes American underwater drone in South China Sea
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/New...-us-navy-underwater-drone-in-south-china-sea/
* "the world should actually thank us for doing them the favor of serving as the worlds police" ... (I remember once a German citizen took an automatic weapon and killed a few "patriots" at Frankfurt International Airport. The guys clearly said and maintained he wasn't "crazy" that he had done that in full consciousness. In the U.S. people were not just disturbed/sad. They were offended on a cosmic level about all those "unAmerican" people in the "regions" of the world, who "instead of thanking the U.S.A. for serving as the world police would even kill 'patriots'"! ...)
* "WMD in Iraq" ... (something physical, which could have been easily and with certainty tested)
* "Nazism happened because German people are genetically, inherently crazy" ... (not because they didn't quite agree with coming late to the colonial party and European colonial powers trying to "freedom love" Germany, turn them into their "negritos", as well). I am partially, multiculturally speaking German (and "gringo", as well). I am amazed when I hear that meme repeated constantly as part that thing called "Western History". German people don't think themselves as being (racially) "white", but (culturally) German. They do have (I would say downright silly) complex identity issues of a cultural kind. All that "integration" nonsense.
* "the alliance for progress" ... (they were outrightly steeling 50% of Venezuelan oil exports)
* "the Marshall plan, the Marshall plan, the Marshall plan, ..." they constantly smear on Germany's face as well (again, senselessly, after ww2 was essentially over). Germany has at times reminded to them that they paid back every single cent of their help a long time ago.
* "thanksgiving " ... (which Jacob Applebaum calls the day gringos celebrate genocide)
* "the sky is the limit" ...
* only "unAmerikan" people would spy on their own ...
* "the stasi this and the stasi that ..." (compare that with the degree of control by the NSA and abuse by USG, to the extent that people in the U.S. have been committing suicide since the 1990's because they wholeheartedly believe "the government is reading their mind" (OK, part of it is "Hollywood" gringos watching so much TV and movies, but, believe me, as I have explained not all of it, they even made Durerte believe God had spoken to him)) and the perp ratio in the U.S. as a measure of how sick gringos are as a society is way higher (at least four times) than it was in East Germany (which data is public, well-known and thoroughly researched). USG has even granted perps the legally protected right to use lethal force at their own discretion:
https://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/11/report_fbi_deputizes_23_000_business
https://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/4/fbi_surveillance_today_bay_area_agents
* "the stasi had a stash of people's ass odor ... " (as reported by the Intercept.com USG was selling the prospective health patterns of individuals to farma and medical business for a profit. Their arguments is that they are not doing anything wrong per se, but why do they collect and sell all that information in secrecy, without expressed consent of any kind? They say that they are protecting us from having false, "paranoid" ideations and that this is all "legal" and they also make even the interpretations of laws illegal "to protect us" from "having to think" about such matters and and, and and ... at the end of the day, "we the people" can't fathom the extent to which those kinds of people are sick in their minds.)
* USG/the NSA emphasized -medical records- as part of collecting "any kind of tangible information". Why? How exactly people's medical records relate to their moral and civic convictions?
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the list of gringo beliefs and ideations would go on an on. I hope you get the idea. Sorry, I couldn't just make it brief for your attention span. Some people running into this thread may find what I have talked about "interesting". In fact that list could be written up as a wikipedia entry, oh, well!
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As Seinfeld used to say in his show: "it is not a lie if you choose to believe it". If I didn't know the U.S. I would have thought of that one liner as sarcasm, a joke. Later I learned to "respect" it and I saw first hand how USG has an investment in their lies. In the U.S. they couldn't care less if you just say: "eff USG", but, as I learned, you will invariably get their attention if you start articulating -why USG should be eff'ed-.
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