Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

[slingblade]

Now, to raise the meta-issue here; Is it time to repeal the Second Amendment?

NO. And I don't even like guns, don't own a gun, and at this moment, have no desire to own one.

But NO, it is not time to repeal it.

First, it will not do the good I imagine you're thinking it will (although I could be wrong about what you hope, since in this post, you gave no indication. If you did earlier, I haven't read it yet, as I skipped to the end of the thread about halfway through). This country is too large, with too large a population, and the modern tech of the Internet among other things, to ban guns. If we do that, they will simply go underground and be even harder to track and regulate than they are now. I want to know, or have the ability to know, who in this country has a gun. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" may be a kind of sound-bite rationale and hyperbole, but I strongly feel that to some extent, it is true.

Second, we do not gain safety by limiting or removing our rights and our liberties. I do not want to live in a place where only authority can arm itself.
If you mean you think no one, not even the police or anyone else in this country, could own a gun, I don't think that's possible to implement, and I think the cops, nationwide, would fight it strongly.

I would not argue that changes in policy aren't warranted. But I don't want to see America remove that right from our Constitution.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Perhaps we could start another thread on the Second Amendment issue?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

My very good friend is well connected with the local law enforcement. He began texting me updates that he is getting from police command via a "source" I don't wish to press him for further details as he is trusted and just relaying information. He has already been wrong on one or two points but he is just being feed info none of it is vetted.

That said he was right about the judge, the child, the identity of the shooter, nature of the wounds and a few other things. He even sent me the judges name but I did not post it because I was not sure if it was public info yet.

I wasn't doubting your info. I was surprised. The other info makes the guy look like a schizophrenic. They don't typically have accomplices.

 

[TraneWreck]

Did I ever say otherwise?

The extent of my speculation is aimed at all of the political rhetoric that has exploded in this country since (coincidentally, I'm sure) a black man was elected president.

The murder of Dr. Tiller is a perfect example. That wasn't a lone nut, that was a man who grew up in an environment where Tiller was a murderer, not human, the spawn of Satan (I grew up in that environment, as well), etc.

I am speculating that calling democrats "UnAMerican" or "communists" or "terrorists" is creating an environment similar to the one that spawned Tiller's killer.

I understood your argument as saying I shouldn't be doing this.

 

[Drudgewire]

I read that opening sentence in my head and busted out laughing.

It's so much more disturbing considering he just murdered a 9 year old.

 

[Thunder]

this is my new Facebook status:

"the political rhetoric of violence & revolution needs to stop!! A Federal judge and a little girl were murdered today, along with a Congresswoman shot in the head, because of this crap. Its time to stop this crap!!!!! It has no place in a civil, democratic society."

 

[thaiboxerken]

Just ignore Mattus and speculate all you want. Anyone want to put up some odds that the shooter is a tea-bagger?

 

[shemp]

Yes.

But one thing's for certain: Scrut is a smartass

You're just speculating.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Come on, Thunder, no Oscar awards here man.

 

[MattusMaximus]

The extent of my speculation is aimed at all of the political rhetoric that has exploded in this country since (coincidentally, I'm sure) a black man was elected president.

The murder of Dr. Tiller is a perfect example. That wasn't a lone nut, that was a man who grew up in an environment where Tiller was a murderer, not human, the spawn of Satan (I grew up in that environment, as well), etc.

I agree, but the difference is that we now have the benefit of hindsight on the Tiller murder, whereas this is a currently unfolding situation.

I am speculating that calling democrats "UnAMerican" or "communists" or "terrorists" is creating an environment similar to the one that spawned Tiller's killer.

I am not disagreeing with you, but we don't know the shooter's politics, nor do we even know if the crime was politically motivated.

I understood your argument as saying I shouldn't be doing this.

You do not yet have the evidence to support your (implicit) conclusion, unless you care to show everyone else your crystal ball, perhaps?

 

[Dorian Gray]

Once you watch the video, you can see how he'll have plausible deniability for responsibility for his actions.

ETA: Nope. Just weird, but not necessarily crazy.

 

[slingblade]

Perhaps we could start another thread on the Second Amendment issue?

Probably a better idea, although I don't think I have more to say on the issue.
I simply don't like Constitution-tampering in general, though each issue should be discussed separately. But no, sir, don't like it.

 

[Thunder]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36033690#36033690

Giffords talks about harrassment and threats against her. And she knew about the Sarak Palin site targeting her for......who knows what.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Just ignore Mattus and speculate all you want. Anyone want to put up some odds that the shooter is a tea-bagger?

I'm ashamed to be on the same side of the aisle as you, pal. You're no better than the "tea baggers" for whom you have a constant hard-on.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Apparently, some conservative blogs are claiming this was a liberal conspiracy made to make Republicans look bad.

 

[Dorian Gray]

MattusMaximus:
When you make a comment like this:

You do not yet have the evidence to support your (implicit) conclusion, unless you care to show everyone else your crystal ball, perhaps?

and then make a comment like this:

Whoever made the video is likely severely mentally disturbed, in my opinion.

It can have the effect of making you look like a pedantic hypocritical busybody. You need to refrain from commenting on anyone else's behavior until you can learn to practice what you preach. See now why you shouldn't try to control others and lecture them?

 

[MattusMaximus]

Apparently, some conservative blogs are claiming this was a liberal conspiracy made to make Republicans look bad.

So you should obviously engage in similar speculation & conspiracy mongering, because that will help!

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

That was predictable.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm ashamed to be on the same side of the aisle as you, pal. You're no better than the "tea baggers" for whom you have a constant hard-on.

Why? I'm stating that it's pure speculation. Wanna bet that this guy is a tea-bagger or not?

 

[dtugg]

This guy is going to get the needle unless he is really, really crazy.