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Rainbow crosswalks

ahhell said:
...And yes, flying the Ukrainian flag after the invasion was political. Saying otherwise is... again, you agree or at least aren't apposed so it's not.
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Ok, how are you defining 'political'? It seems you mean 'everything conceivable in the human experience' but ill.leave it to you to clarify.
 
Thermal said:
That's exactly what I mean. Conservatives think literally everything is political, every opinion, every thought, everything you might like or support. I don't.
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Nope, it mostly progressive that think everything is political, that is unless its right, in which case it's not. It's not the conservatives that brought trans rights to library story hours and politics to sports. Then the progressive go, why are you making this political? Why do you suddenly care about library story hour?

Name a thing that is not political, and I bet money it's something you agree on the politics.
 
Political, relating to government or government policy. I guess flying a flag isn't political but if not, its posturing.
 
AmyStrange said:
When did rainbow crosswalks become flags?
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I guess rainbow sidewalks are just posturing then. Because someone will ask, I mean empty symbols of support without actually having to do something meaningful or useful. Like a Ukrainian or black flag in your social media. I think some folks want it both ways, they want the symbol to mean something but not enough to actually effect change.
 
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ahhell said:
I guess rainbow sidewalks are just posturing then. Because someone will ask, I mean empty symbols of support without actually having to do something meaningful or useful.
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Nope, I just like rainbows, and I have no problem with the LGBQT+ crowd either.
 
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ahhell said:
@AmyStrange, so, anyone that thinks the confederate flag or blue lives matter flag are political statements, that's on them?

@Thermal, I don't see how you can say that demanding government action was a part of it but it's still not political?
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Same as I said. BLM can be entirely supported by anyone of any political persuasion. A demand for political action can be entirely secondary or parallel to increasing social awareness across political lines.
ahhell said:
We can go back to the suffragette movement. They were right, women should have the right to vote just like men, still totally political. Abolitionists, totally political and about getting people basic rights and morally right. When did basic human rights become political, they always have been.
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Both primarily concerned with legal status. BLM didn't really want to change the legal status of dead black people.
ahhell said:
ETA: to bring it back to crosswalks. There is an argument that road marking are and should be for safety so maybe even when it comes to statements about other rights, maybe the roads should be left for just safety considerations.
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Road marking is for visibility (although I pay not a bit of attention to road paint jobs, and have my attention focused on the living people a couple feet higher, in the crosswalks or not)..
ahhell said:
I'll not pretend that this is really what the latest nonsense is about but that is a reasonable argument.
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The only nonsense here is being so indignant that an inclusive symbol was drawn that the city spent taxpayer money fast to wipe it from their sight
 
@Thermal, the insistence that clearly political movements and symbols aren't political is also nonsense.

Also, I hope you pay some attention to road paint jobs, the arrows that tell what the turn lanes are, the dashed and not dashed lines and such and especially the pictures of bicycles.
 
ahhell said:
Nope, it mostly progressive that think everything is political, that is unless its right, in which case it's not. It's not the conservatives that brought trans rights to library story hours and politics to sports. Then the progressive go, why are you making this political? Why do you suddenly care about library story hour?
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It was absolutely conservatives that made that political. Story hours were getting protested and conservatives trying to get them banned. The story readers were just doing what they'd always done. What are you talking about?
ahhell said:
Name a thing that is not political, and I bet money it's something you agree on the politics.
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I cant make heads or tails of this?
 
Thermal said:
Same as I said. BLM can be entirely supported by anyone of any political persuasion. A demand for political action can be entirely secondary or parallel to increasing social awareness across political lines.

Both primarily concerned with legal status. BLM didn't really want to change the legal status of dead black people.

Road marking is for visibility (although I pay not a bit of attention to road paint jobs, and have my attention focused on the living people a couple feet higher, in the crosswalks or not)..

The only nonsense here is being so indignant that an inclusive symbol was drawn that the city spent taxpayer money fast to wipe it from their sight
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I keep hearing on the MSN forum that painting rainbow crosswalks is a safety issue, but I can't find any data to support that.

Are people being run over because drivers can't see the crosswalks?
 
ahhell said:
@Thermal, the insistence that clearly political movements and symbols aren't political is also nonsense.
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Ok...?
ahhell said:
Also, I hope you pay some attention to road paint jobs, the arrows that tell what the turn lanes are, the dashed and not dashed lines and such and especially the pictures of bicycles.
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They help to find the lane, but otherwise not so much. Usually the person I am aggressively tailgating is driving on top of them so I couldn't see them if I wanted to.

Bicycles are on their own just as much as any other vehicle operator.

Eta: in my US State, that's actually law. If you are straddling a bike, you have to obey all laws that a car does.Run over a cyclist in a crosswalk and you don't even get a ticket; the cyclist is 100% at fault.
 
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AmyStrange said:
I keep hearing on the MSN forum that painting rainbow crosswalks is a safety issue, but I can't find any data to support that.

Are people being run over because drivers can't see the crosswalks?
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They seem more eye-catching to me?

I kind of try not to run people over, whether or not they are in a crosswalk. So there's that. Do Republicans normally run pedestrians over if they are not in a painted crosswalk?
 
Thermal said:
They seem more eye-catching to me?

I kind of try not to run people over, whether or not they are in a crosswalk. So there's that. Do Republicans normally run pedestrians over if they are not in a painted crosswalk?
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I always thought that whenever anyone crosses a street, they automatically create a crosswalk around them (even if none are there), and drivers should yield even if they're jaywalking.

Maybe I'm wrong.
 
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Thermal said:
They seem more eye-catching to me?

I kind of try not to run people over, whether or not they are in a crosswalk. So there's that. Do Republicans normally run pedestrians over if they are not in a painted crosswalk?
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Well, if I saw a fat clown try to cross the road...
 
AmyStrange said:
I always thought that whenever anyone crosses a street, they automatically create a crosswalk (even if none are there), and drivers should yield to them even if they're jaywalking.

Maybe I'm wrong.
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Varies by state. In NJ USA, pedestrians have the legal obligation to yield to all vehicular traffic. The exception is when they are in a crosswalk, designated by paint/signs or just at a crossroad. But the pedestrians may not at any time step into the path of a motor vehicle that is too close to safely stop (the law reads 'when impossible to stop', but there is precedent that 'possible' only means what is legally possible, not physically possible, and it is never legally possible to deliberately operate your vehicle in an unsafe manner, such as slamming on your brakes or swerving).

I am right on top of this stuff in my state because our half wit tourists walk out in front of cars all the time, chanting 'pedestrians have the right of way'.
 
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