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Rainbow crosswalks

ahhell said:
Perfect example of the progressive inability to understand folks that disagree with them. I think its pretty obvious that the rainbow flag is a political symbol therefore I'm afraid that seeing it will turn me gay. Then I say in obvious sarcasm this accurately reflects my views, and the obvious sarcasm is missed.

The notion that a symbol of the correct view is not political because its correct is....IDK....typical.
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Bwahahahahaha... thanks for the laugh and for helping to prove me right.
 
Devout homosexual muslims as well as catholic homosexuals (and yes, botht exist, there are quite a few) are included. And as I said; it OUGHT not be a political issue. You seem to agree.

Sorry, not your feminism then, Valerie Solanas'.

And I have never met anyone who has been confused by gay conservatives. Some on the US left may at times be baffled by trans people who voted for the republicans in the last election, due to the anti-trans platform (I am not among them. People mostly do not baffle me any longer).
 
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AmyStrange said:
Most conservatives (at least those who voted for the fat clown anyway) are ignorant and don't care about their fellow man or woman.
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Makes sense, that obviously follows from the rainbow flag being a political statement.
 
ahhell said:
Makes sense, that obviously follows from the rainbow flag being a political statement.
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Not sure that it is exclusively political, though. I mean, the idea of inclusivity and acceptance isn't bound by politics, although the Dems embraced it. I still see a rainbow flag as more of a personal statement, although affront to it rides more heavily along political lines.
 
Let me try a different analogy.
Is the blue lives matter flag a political statement or symbol?
 
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Thermal said:
Not sure that it is exclusively political, though. I mean, the idea of inclusivity and acceptance isn't bound by politics, although the Dems embraced it. I still see a rainbow flag as more of a personal statement, although affront to it rides more heavily along political lines.
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And I see that as, you agree with the statement therefore you don't see it as political. There is a rainbow flag outside of my house right now. That's a pretty public personal statement.

As to when did being gay become a political statement, well when folks decided being gay wasn't something to be ashamed of. It isn't but when they lived in a society that said otherwise and lots of gay folks thought it was, saying out loud that you were gay was a political statement. It isn't anything to be ashamed of, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a political statement.
 
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ahhell said:
And I see that as, you agree with the statement therefore you don't see it as political. There is a rainbow flag outside of my house right now. That's a pretty public personal statement.
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A lot of personal statements are public. A sports fan might fly his teams banner out front, yeah? But I wouldn't find it hypocritical for a Republican to fly a rainbow flag, nor would I assume that anyone flying one is a Democrat. It's closer to flying a Ukranian flag. You just mean to show your personal support, although the broad meanings of what 'political' means can fairly be called into question.

Eta: your eta: statements can be political or not. I think a lot of people don't much care a whit for politics, and can stand up and shout when they feel empowered to do so.
 
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Thermal said:
More political, as it was launched by the same 'taking affront' team in response to Black Lives Matter. BLM is another one that was apolitical till the battle lines got drawn.
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That's just nonsense, BLM was always political. You are saying a movement about making political change wasn't political? Again, you agree so its not political. You don't agree or I guess, if it's a reaction to something it is political.

And yes, flying the Ukrainian flag after the invasion was political. Saying otherwise is... again, you agree or at least aren't apposed so it's not.
 
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ahhell said:
That's just nonsense, BLM was always political. You are saying a movement about making political change wasn't political? Again, you agree so its not political. You don't agree or I guess, if it's a reaction to something it is political.
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'How about you stop killing black people with impunity' isn't really a political position, to my eye.
 
Thermal said:
'How about you stop killing black people with impunity' isn't really a political position, to my eye.
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That ignores a lot about what was included under the umbrella of BLM.

Is, stop blaming all cops for killing black people" any more political than stop killing black people with impunity?

ETA: Honestly, this seem pretty obvious to me. Your metric really seems to be, I agree with this so not political. Those people disagree so political. The fact that you can phrase you sides message in the most charitable way doesn't really change that.
 
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ahhell said:
That ignores a lot about what was included under the umbrella of BLM.

Is, stop blaming all cops for killing black people" any more political than stop killing black people with impunity?
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Again, depends on how you mean 'political'. I think demanding governmental action was a big part of it, but popular support and awareness was a bigger part.
 
ahhell said:
Makes sense, that obviously follows from the rainbow flag being a political statement.
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It's not a political statement unless someone thinks it is. Personally, I like rainbows, and I like a lot of the folks in the LGBQT+ crowd. If you stop and think about it honestly, they're really no different than you and me.

If anyone wants to believe a rainbow is political, then that's their problem and not mine.
 
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@AmyStrange, so, anyone that thinks the confederate flag or blue lives matter flag are political statements, that's on them?

@Thermal, I don't see how you can say that demanding government action was a part of it but it's still not political?

We can go back to the suffragette movement. They were right, women should have the right to vote just like men, still totally political. Abolitionists, totally political and about getting people basic rights and morally right. When did basic human rights become political, they always have been.

ETA: to bring it back to crosswalks. There is an argument that road marking are and should be for safety so maybe even when it comes to statements about other rights, maybe the roads should be left for just safety considerations.

I'll not pretend that this is really what the latest nonsense is about but that is a reasonable argument.
 
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ahhell said:
...The fact that you can phrase you sides message in the most charitable way doesn't really change that.
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That's exactly what I mean. Conservatives think literally everything is political, every opinion, every thought, everything you might like or support. I don't.
 
BLM, pride flags, and what not aren't always political.

I think some of that (including the Pulse Nightclub shootings) is a result of folks who lost loved ones and are using things like painting rainbows or BLM on sidewalks as a way of dealing with the most ultimate of all losses.

I can respect that.
 
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