Questions about Hyperinsulinemia/Diabetes

[Kumar]

Mr.Hans, Mojo,

Forget predisposition effect. Pls tell me about cravings & real intake of food etc. in pre-diabetic & diabetic type 2 & type1 patients? Is there something abnormal in it?

 

[Darat]

Mr.Hans, Mojo,

Forget predisposition effect. Pls tell me about cravings & real intake of food etc. in pre-diabetic & diabetic type 2 & type1 patients? Is there something abnormal in it?

No, you are just greedy.

 

[Terry]

See? that's what we've been telling you. Lazyness and greed. Lazyness and greed. Habits are not inherited, they are learned.

Ouch. Thankyou for your grandmotherly kindness...

--Terry.

 

[Mojo]

Forget predisposition effect. Pls tell me about cravings & real intake of food etc. in pre-diabetic & diabetic type 2 & type1 patients? Is there something abnormal in it?

Still desperately looking for excuses, aren't you? Under normal circumstances, a person who is hypoglycaemic will probably feel an inclination to eat, in order to increase their blood sugar. However, people who are at risk of developing type 2 diabetes exhibit long-term hyperglycaemia, not hypoglycaemia. So another of your half-assed theories bites the dust.

 

[Mojo]

Ouch. Thankyou for your grandmotherly kindness...

Sometimes, you have to be cruel to be kind...

 

[Mojo]

And, damn it, I was hoping that Kumar would quote that lot back at me.

 

[Kumar]

No, you are just greedy.

Yes, but what makes a person greedy?

 

[Kumar]

Still desperately looking for excuses, aren't you? Under normal circumstances, a person who is hypoglycaemic will probably feel an inclination to eat, in order to increase their blood sugar. However, people who are at risk of developing type 2 diabetes exhibit long-term hyperglycaemia, not hypoglycaemia. So another of your half-assed theories bites the dust.

Yes, obiously, if anyone with greed of eating more & eating more, can get hyperglycemia--controlled in initial stages & uncontrolled in later stages on development of IR,

But what makes a person to become greedy?

 

[clarsct]

Are you serious?

"What makes a person to become greedy?"

Because at one time we didn't KNOW where our next meal was coming from. Because there's an evolutionary advantage to greed. Those who were greedy got more resources, and thus were better able not only to breed, but provide for their children.

I'm not sure what it has to do with diabetes, though.

 

[flume]

Yes, but what makes a person greedy?

I have no interest in pursuing this question myself. However, if eating less salt helps you to crave food less, then eat less salt. You might try reading about the low-carb diet. Many people say they feel less cravings on a low-carb diet.

 

[Kumar]

Are you serious?

"What makes a person to become greedy?"

Because at one time we didn't KNOW where our next meal was coming from. Because there's an evolutionary advantage to greed. Those who were greedy got more resources, and thus were better able not only to breed, but provide for their children.

I'm not sure what it has to do with diabetes, though.

I am just trying to find that, how predisposition to diabetes can be recognized in early stages? Greed for food or more craving towards food looks to be quite relevant. Availability & exposure to resources which can fullfill this greed or craving is secondary cinsideration. You might have noticed that different people may behave differently to similar exposures. Some may be greedy other may be not. Some may be having more craving for some food others not. Like it there can be sevaral things to which few person are attracted whereas others not. Some other may even be repelled. I call it as a constitution/in-born make up of a peson. So wharever different will be there in constitution that can tell us genetic/inborn type of that person. Predisposition/attraction towards greed/any specific cravings/any specific habit... can be one part of this constitution & can tell us more possibilty of a person of getting any disease.

So now, can greed /craving fore more foods & easy going/lazyness habits can indicate that a person may get diabetes in future?

 

[Kumar]

I have no interest in pursuing this question myself. However, if eating less salt helps you to crave food less, then eat less salt. You might try reading about the low-carb diet. Many people say they feel less cravings on a low-carb diet.

To maintain the homeostatis, there can be craving of any really deficient substance (sugar in case of low glucose level). But due to any physiological disorder/accumulated substance, there can also be unreal craving of any substance(sugar in case if IR). To understand, what type of food can cause which type of craving or inter-dependence & inter-relationship between different type of foods/tastes can be a subject of prime importance. I think "ayurveda"(link provided previously) somewhat indicated this aspect & if would had taken seriously, probably made us to know how to cure just by foods/tastes. Probably, we may understand this aspect in future and "the salt-sugar relationship & their inter-dependance.

Btw, how fried foods are more harmfull then the same constituets in these if taken not fried?

 

[Perpetual Notion]

I am just trying to find that, how predisposition to diabetes can be recognized in early stages?

The only way you can know if you are genetically predisposed to diabetes is to look to your parents and their parents because that is who you inherited your genes from. If diabetes runs in your family, then you are predisposed to it.

Greed for food or more craving towards food looks to be quite relevant. Availability & exposure to resources which can fullfill this greed or craving is secondary cinsideration. You might have noticed that different people may behave differently to similar exposures. Some may be greedy other may be not. Some may be having more craving for some food others not. Like it there can be sevaral things to which few person are attracted whereas others not. Some other may even be repelled. I call it as a constitution/in-born make up of a peson. So wharever different will be there in constitution that can tell us genetic/inborn type of that person. Predisposition/attraction towards greed/any specific cravings/any specific habit... can be one part of this constitution & can tell us more possibilty of a person of getting any disease.

No.


So now, can greed /craving fore more foods & easy going/lazyness habits can indicate that a person may get diabetes in future?

For the one bazillionth time Kumar, if you have a predisposition to diabetes and you allow yourself to become overweight and you stuff yourself full of simple carbohydrates you will develop diabetes. Your health is your responsibility and no matter what crazy-@ss theory you come up with, if you want to live a decent life and see your kids grow up, you are going to have to put down the chips and go for a walk. Stop making excuses.

 

[Kumar]

Still desperately looking for excuses, aren't you? Under normal circumstances, a person who is hypoglycaemic will probably feel an inclination to eat, in order to increase their blood sugar. However, people who are at risk of developing type 2 diabetes exhibit long-term hyperglycaemia, not hypoglycaemia. So another of your half-assed theories bites the dust.

One more thought:-

Is it necessary that ,a diabetic2 with IR, will never get craving for carbs till he us having hyperglycemia? Can there be low level of glucose in cells inspite of persistant hyperglycemia resulting into persistant craving for carbs/food in IR patients?

Mojo,

We previously discussed that gastic acid can effect digestion so absorption of protiens? I think meny modern medicines are protien based. Will then, gastric acid/pH levels can effect their availability to any patient?

 

[Anders]

One more thought:-

Really? Just one?

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We previously discussed that gastic acid can effect digestion so absorption of protiens? I think meny modern medicines are protien based. Will then, gastric acid/pH levels can effect their availability to any patient?

Yes. But you don't always EAT your medicin....

 

[Kumar]

Really? Just one?





Yes. But you don't always EAT your medicin.... [/B]

But we take these into stomach & gastric acid is in stomach. Whether these, if already are in digested form, still be effected by gastric/digestive pH levels or not, i want to know?

 

[Mojo]

We previously discussed that gastic acid can effect digestion so absorption of protiens? I think meny modern medicines are protien based. Will then, gastric acid/pH levels can effect their availability to any patient?

No. If a medicine is intended to be taken orally, the effect of gastric acid will be taken into account. This is because proper medicines, unlike the nonsense you espouse, have to be tested to make sure that they are effective before they can be put to general use.

 

[Kumar]

No. If a medicine is intended to be taken orally, the effect of gastric acid will be taken into account. This is because proper medicines, unlike the nonsense you espouse, have to be tested to make sure that they are effective before they can be put to general use.

That is ok, but there can be different persons having different levels of digestive envirinment. Whether all medicines work "exactly similar" on all people?

 

[Mojo]

That is ok, but there can be different persons having different levels of digestive envirinment. Whether all medicines work "exactly similar" on all people?

Sure, there may be slight variations between different patients, bu if a drug is going to be inactivated by stomach pH, this will be picked up in testing and it will be administered in a different way.

 

[Kumar]

Sure, there may be slight variations between different patients, bu if a drug is going to be inactivated by stomach pH, this will be picked up in testing and it will be administered in a different way.

Mojo, thanks.

Can you tell me this aspect in some more detail?