Questions about Hyperinsulinemia/Diabetes

[MRC_Hans]

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To the topic:-

Whether prospective/predisposed diabetic2/IR patients are usually, occasional, irregular & excess eater? Are they predisposed to the habit of occasional, irregular & excessive craving of eatables esp. carbs?

Predisposition has nothing to do with lifestyle or eating habits, it is inherited.

Whether or not your genetic predisposition will actually leads to diabetes is depending on lifestyle, and eating habits.

You have a remarkable habit of consistenly putting things upside down. Let me try to explain it in common words:

Suppose your ability to have a bad lifestyle without getting sick depends on how much resistance money you have in the bank. Every time you sit the whole week-end in front of your computer and eat chips, you are drawing resistance money from your account. For every pouns you gain in weight, you draw money.

Every time you exercise, eat good food, and loose weight, you put money INTO the bank.

If your account gets overdrawn, you get diabetes (here the analogy stops; once you have overdrawn, you may pay down on your dept, but you cannot get back in positive).

Are you with me so far?

Now, of course, the "resistance money" is someting inside your body, and so is the bank.

So where is the genetic part? Well, we are each born with a different amount in the bank. Some have only a very slim account, so as soon as they start "spending" they go into debet. Others have some more and will only hit red after decades of overweight and sedentary lifestyle. And some have a big sum that they are virtually unable to spend during their lifetime.

Hans

 

[Kumar]

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Predisposition has nothing to do with lifestyle or eating habits, it is inherited.

Whether or not your genetic predisposition will actually leads to diabetes is depending on lifestyle, and eating habits.

You have a remarkable habit of consistenly putting things upside down. Let me try to explain it in common words:

Suppose your ability to have a bad lifestyle without getting sick depends on how much resistance money you have in the bank. Every time you sit the whole week-end in front of your computer and eat chips, you are drawing resistance money from your account. For every pouns you gain in weight, you draw money.

Every time you exercise, eat good food, and loose weight, you put money INTO the bank.

If your account gets overdrawn, you get diabetes (here the analogy stops; once you have overdrawn, you may pay down on your dept, but you cannot get back in positive).

Are you with me so far?

Now, of course, the "resistance money" is someting inside your body, and so is the bank.

So where is the genetic part? Well, we are each born with a different amount in the bank. Some have only a very slim account, so as soon as they start "spending" they go into debet. Others have some more and will only hit red after decades of overweight and sedentary lifestyle. And some have a big sum that they are virtually unable to spend during their lifetime.

Hans

Thanks, but I want to be bit more clear;

Whether The genetic predisposition as thought in diabetes2 can lead to a person to become, irregular & excessive eater & preferand sedentary lifestyle? Obiously, modern lifestyle may offer a readymade easily available access to these, but whether predisposed person will opt to it or not AND not predisposed will not opt to it? We notice many person are active & regular/limited eater whereas other liker more & irregular eating & live sedentary lifestyle?

Whether these cause to these habits is inherited or aquired?

Hyperglycemia is the technical term for high blood glucose (sugar). High blood glucose happens when the body has too little, or not enough, insulin or when the body can't use insulin properly.

A number of things can cause hyperglycemia. For example, if you have type 1 diabetes, you may not have given yourself enough insulin. If you have type 2 diabetes, your body may have enough insulin, but it is not as effective as it should be.

The problem could be that you ate more than planned or exercised less than planned. The stress of an illness, such as a cold or flu, could also be the cause. Other stresses, such as family conflicts or school or dating problems, could also cause hyperglycemia.
http://www.diabetes.org/type-2-diabetes/hyperglycemia.jsp

The above link tells us the reasons to getting hyperglycemia as:

Insulin defficiency, Insulin not working IR, Excessive & unplaned eating, less excercise, stress due to illness, other mental stresses.

 

[Mojo]

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Whether The genetic predisposition as thought in diabetes2 can lead to a person to become, irregular & excessive eater & preferand sedentary lifestyle? Obiously, modern lifestyle may offer a readymade easily available access to these, but whether predisposed person will opt to it or not AND not predisposed will not opt to it? We notice many person are active & regular/limited eater whereas other liker more & irregular eating & live sedentary lifestyle?

Whether these habits are inherited or aquired?

The predispositions being talked about are to do with a person's propensity to develop a condition. For example, it can be the case that two individuals have almost identical lifestyles and weight, but only one of them develops diabetes. This is because that person has something in their (inherited) genetic makeup that makes it more likely that they will develop the condition.

The types of lifestyle that you are talking about are not inherited, but are learned as a result of children imitating the people who raise them.

 

[Darat]

This thread is really, really interesting, it’s like a fractal, no matter which part of it I look at it looks the same with the same thing being said over and over again....

 

[Kumar]

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The predispositions being talked about are to do with a person's propensity to develop a condition. For example, it can be the case that two individuals have almost identical lifestyles and weight, but only one of them develops diabetes. This is because that person has something in their (inherited) genetic makeup that makes it more likely that they will develop the condition.

The types of lifestyle that you are talking about are not inherited, but are learned as a result of children imitating the people who raise them.

Mojo, It looks bit unclear.

What predispositions can create changes in adopting any specific lifestyle or habit? When genetic changes are there these can cause some constitutional changes in any person. What are these in case of diabetic predispositions?

Anyway, I want to know whether prespective/predisposed person are unplanned & excessive eater oe not? If they are, what makes them to adopt this habit?

 

[Darat]

See what I mean?

 

[Kumar]

This thread is really, really interesting, it’s like a fractal, no matter which part of it I look at it looks the same with the same thing being said over and over again....

Are you taliking about TTTT part of it or about ADTT(About Diabetic Type Talks) of it? People are trying to convince & clear some unclear aspects, so TTTT can be common. Pls advice accordingly. Regards.

 

[MRC_Hans]

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Thanks, but I want to be bit more clear;

Whether The genetic predisposition as thought in diabetes2 can lead to a person to become, irregular & excessive eater & preferand sedentary lifestyle?

No. Is that clear enough? The genetic predisposition for type 2 diabetes has nothing to do with lifestyle. Period.

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Whether these cause to these habits is inherited or aquired?

Now that is an entirely different question. Seing that obesity tends to run in families, it is not unlikely that it is inheritable. However, genetics probably only explains part of it. People tend to copy the lifestyle of their parents.

Either way, this is a different factor. Of course, if you are born with BOTH predispositions, you are heading for trouble.

The above link tells us the reasons to getting hyperglycemia as:

Nothing new in that link. We have been through it all. Do you still think that excess insulin causes IR?

Hans

 

[Darat]

Yep I was right.

 

[Kumar]

Mr Hans,

Just direct thought:-

Craving for un-planned/excessive food, adopting sedentary lifestyle habits, getting illness & feeling mental stresses easily can be in the constitution of any person. When exposed to these he will get disease/s related to chronic exposure to these.

As I observed, excess salt or common salt in food lead to more craving to foods & lazyness. I can't say if its excess intake can also lead to other factors of getting illness & felling mental stresses easily. I think we may not be taking it in excess in older times & so can be a modern gift to us.

So, how can we link "intake of excess salt" (which may be a modern gift to us) to craving/taking unplanned/excessive food resulting into obesity/IR AND with other factors?

Moreover Na/K pump can also be thought?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yep I was right.

Absolutely. We are now into the deep iterations in the third quadrant of the set, and this particular spiral is heading for infinity.

Edited to add: The only new feature is the "Yep I was right" posts at each iteration .

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Craving for un-planned/excessive food, adopting sedentary lifestyle habits, getting illness & feeling mental stresses easily can be in the constitution of any person.

No, that does not seem to be the case. Some people don't have those tendencies.

When exposed to these he will get disease/s related to chronic exposure to these.

If he has a predisposition, yes.

As I observed, excess salt or common salt in food lead to more craving to foods & lazyness.

No that is not a general trend. For instance, the Japanese cuisine is generally very salty, but the Japanese people are not generally lazy or overeaters. I think lazyness or overeating is mainly due to weak character.

I can't say if its excess intake can also lead to other factors of getting illness & felling mental stresses easily.

Excess salt in your diet can lead to a number of diseases.

I think we may not be taking it in excess in older times & so can be a modern gift to us.

Not correct. Plenty of traditional diets are very salty, especially in temperate climates where a lot of salted meats and fish are traditionally part of the diet.

So, how can we link "intake of excess salt" (which may be a modern gift to us) to craving/taking unplanned/excessive food resulting into obesity/IR AND with other factors?

We cannot make such a link.

Moreover Na/K pump can also be thought?

Meaning exactly what?

As somebody already noted, the root purpose of this is obvious, and becoming more so at each iteration of the fractal: Kumar is trying to blame his diabetes to modern lifestyle, pollution, salty foods, conventional medicine, ANYTHING that is not his fault and that can rationalize his neglecting to follow doctor's orders, and cut down on the salty snacks, loose some weight and get some exercise.



Hans

 

[Kumar]

Mr Hans,

There can be different type of patients & there cases can be individual. Can any type of case match with my thoughts?

Btw, " whether figure of "point" matches with the aspect "fractal"? Does it justify with "absolute"?

 

[Mojo]

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What predispositions can create changes in adopting any specific lifestyle or habit?

As has already been explained to you, lifestyle is not genetically determined.

When genetic changes are there these can cause some constitutional changes in any person.

A person's genetic makeup does not change. You're stuck with what you are born with.

What are these in case of diabetic predispositions?

A predisposition towards diabetes merely makes it more likely that a given person will develop the condition as a result of other factors. It does not determine lifestyle or behaviour.

Anyway, I want to know whether prespective/predisposed person are unplanned & excessive eater oe not?

No. The predisposition just makes them more likely to develop diabetes if they become overweight as a result of over-eating and under-exercising.

If they are, what makes them to adopt this habit?

Lazyness and greed.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mr Hans,

There can be different type of patients & there cases can be individual. Can any type of case match with my thoughts?

Honestly, Kumar, the only thing that will really match with your thoughts is a random word generator.

Btw, " whether figure of "point" matches with the aspect "fractal"? Does it justify with "absolute"?

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Mojo,

Do you want to say that any predisposition/genetic change will not trigger & pursue expressions related to it? I mean does it not pursue to make a person alike it? (Any genetic/inherent change may mean a constitutional change & make make us farther to shown concept of "Adam & Eve")

Mr. Hans,

Several researchers have concluded that food cravings occur primarily as a result of stress. Essentially, when stressed, we experience a craving for whatever food will elicit a shot of endorphin to induce comfort.
http://www.healthcoach4u.com/Ezine/ezine20050107.html

4. Problem: Excessive salt intake.

Restaurants, fast-food eateries and processed food companies liberally season with salt to stimulate your palate, pique your interest in processed foods and motivate you to eat more. Chips, crackers, cheese, cured meats, dips, condiments and canned soups can make your salt intake - and desire for sweets - soar. Many commercial cookies, cakes, pies, pastries, frozen desserts and candies also host a hefty dose of salt.

Solution: Slash your salt intake in half.

Halving your salt intake may help normalize your appetite, making it easier to tell when you're hungry and when you've had enough of any particular food. Read labels, even in health food stores, and make lower-sodium selections. Add half as much salt to recipes, then try using half as much salt again the next time you prepare the recipe. Replace high-sodium broth with lower-sodium broth; better yet, make salt-free chicken and vegetable stocks and broths at home.
http://www.rednova.com/news/health/154534/beat_your_sugar_cravings/

Those high in protein can bring on cravings for sugar, and high sugar consumption can make some individuals crave salt.
http://www.ivillage.co.uk/pregnancyandbaby/pregnancy/nutritionpreg/articles/0,,10_163670,00.html

What is this?

(btw, Ancient "Ayurvedic "vatta" type is related to Sweat, Salty & Sour taste.)

 

[Mojo]

Mojo,

Do you want to say that any predisposition/genetic change will not trigger & pursue expressions related to it? I mean does it not pursue to make a person alike it? (Any genetic/inherent change may mean a constitutional change & make make us farther to shown concept of "Adam & Eve")

No. Read what I posted:

Originally posted by Mojo
A person's genetic makeup does not change. You're stuck with what you are born with.

If you think you can get away with misrepresenting people by not quoting what they posted when you reply to them, you are sadly mistaken. It is perfectly simple for anyone to scroll back up the thread.

And as far as predispositions triggering conditions goes, as usual you have it backwards. The predisposition is a pre-existing condition, requiring other factors to lead to development of the condition.

 

[Mojo]

(btw, Ancient "Ayurvedic "vatta" type is related to Sweat, Salty & Sour taste.)

You're not going to start going on about sweaty grapes again are you?

Edited to add: Incidentally, I've just had a look at the Googlefight that arthwollipot posted on that page. As of 1:15pm (BST) today, "Kumar exists" and "Kumar does not exist" have 1 result each. Kumar is beginning to look a little like Schrodinger's cat.

Would anyone care to open the box?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mr. Hans,

What is this?

It is another website expounding the author's theories. There are millions of them out there. That salt may or may not make us more or less hungry (note that the site does not say that the salt as such does it, only that salt is used to make foods tastier to make us want them) does not support your theory about diabetes.

(btw, Ancient "Ayurvedic "vatta" type is related to Sweat, Salty & Sour taste.)

I can't, off my head, think of something that interests me less.

Kumar, I asked you before: Do you still theorize that excess insulin causes diabetes?

Hans

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

This thread is really, really interesting, it’s like a fractal, no matter which part of it I look at it looks the same with the same thing being said over and over again....

It looks fractal to me because I headbutted the screen. It hasn't helped.