QiGong Disease Healing Test Report

[Carn]

You have a good health, only a little pain on your acantha upward a little from lumbar.

...

As for acantha, it is also called chine,backbone and spondyle.
As for lumbar, it is a part of acantha, counterpart to waist.

...

"sometimes breathing problems",
Sometimes, that must be sometimes. Every hour? Breathing problem, maybe your chest is a little difficult to expand.

"healthy".
It is easily your Qi moves in your body. As a rational conclusion, you will not feel too pain when injured or say you are not afraid of pain.

"no chronic pain in my back"
No, not back, it is waist near lumbar, counterpart to waist on backbone.
Shine

I read up there that you have sensed i have a pain at acantha, which is chine or backbone.
Later you said you think its chronic and i know i have no chronic pain in my backbone, so there might be some misunderstanding.

And do i understand correctly that you sensed, that i have breathing problems several times a day?

And your explanation of healthy puzzles me a bit, because that could mean, that somebody on his deathbed, could still be healthy, as long as the Qi moves easily, no matter what disease causes him to die. That would mean i understood that term wrong.
So how is "healthy" related to "having no diseases" and "having no acute or chronical pain"?

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

I read up there that you have sensed i have a pain at acantha, which is chine or backbone.Later you said you think its chronic and i know i have no chronic pain in my backbone, so there might be some misunderstanding.

Now, do you know where the lumbar is? It is a segment of acantha, near waist.

And do i understand correctly that you sensed, that i have breathing problems several times a day?

I do not know.

So how is "healthy" related to "having no diseases" and "having no acute or chronical pain"?

In theory, all people are patient. Only the level of severity is different. So "healthy" means not severe. "Acute or chronical pain", I do not know. I am sorry I meant your pain was not caused by my QiGong. According to dialectical materialism of German, there must be a inner reason. And I do not believe my QiGong is so powerful that it can make someone to get pain at a distance of 7 time zones apart. If you can not find a reason, it is not impossible by my QiGong completely.

Shine Sun

 

[IXP]

Let me get this totally straight Carn.

You still think there may be some possibility Shine Sun is for real?

Erm, how?

Yoda-like phrases of 'wisdom', promises of big money, mentions of Bin Laden and Jesus, magical healing, lack of understanding of Chinese phrases, no actual application for the challenge...

You're being had.

Edited to add: But if you are just doing this all for fun then fair enough. I promise not to repeat myself again on this thread and let you and Shine Sun talk and continue your test without any more of my interruptions (unless something interesting happens or the thread shifts subject a bit).

Ashles

For an alleged sceptic you have reached a level of certainly on the flimsiest of evidence. Have you ever met a Chinese person? I don't mean a Chinese-American, I mean people living in mainland China.

I work on a project with about 30 engineers in Shanghai. I have visited there, and I exchange probably 20 emails a day with them. Shine Sun is very consistent with my experience of these people, who like Shine Sun are trained as engineers.

The use of "best regards" at the end of a message, has convinced me even further, many of those I correspond with use this same phrase, which I thought was quite unusual when I first saw it.

Now, as to whether he is serious about QiGong, I am not as sure of that, but the Chinese I know are very, very high on the scale of what we call believers. Even though highly educated, they still insist that many paranormal phenomena are real. I have referred some to the JREF, with no result.

 

[nbenami]

For an alleged sceptic you have reached a level of certainly on the flimsiest of evidence. Have you ever met a Chinese person? I don't mean a Chinese-American, I mean people living in mainland China.

Ironic, given the incredibly flimsy nature of YOUR evidence which seems to be:

1. His writing pattern look like those of some engineers your exchange emails with (examples?). Are you qualified to judge writing patterns? Most people are not.

2. He signs his emails with "best regards."

Regardless, even if he is Chinese, he's still some species of sock puppet or troll. And even if he's not, he's about as entertaining as watching towels dry. At least the meta discussions are amusing to me.

 

[Ashles]

For an alleged sceptic you have reached a level of certainly on the flimsiest of evidence.

My evidence is based on VERY erratic patterns of grammar and vocabulary.
An almost child like confusion of legends of Jesus.
Yoda-like cod-philosophy
A promise of big money to Carn
A lack of comprehension of a common Chinese phrase mentioned by H3LL
The fact that H3LL has taught Chinese students in China for many years and he doesn't feel this sounds like a Chinese person.

And that's without even starting on how bogus the whole QiGong claim sounds (but doesn't it sound better coming from a Chinese man who speaks fractured English?)

As an 'alleged' sceptic I am behaving entirely consistently in doubting something for which I do not feel there is evidence for.

As nbenami has mentioned your evidence sounds flimsier than mine.

I guess we could start bombarding Shine Sun with questions about himself, but at the moment I feel fairly confident that he is bogus (or at least has far better grasp of English than he claims). If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. My opinion doesn't seem to be bothering Shine Sun too much. If it does I'm sure he'll make more of an effort to establish his veracity.

 

[IXP]

Ironic, given the incredibly flimsy nature of YOUR evidence which seems to be:

1. His writing pattern look like those of some engineers your exchange emails with (examples?). Are you qualified to judge writing patterns? Most people are not.

2. He signs his emails with "best regards."

Regardless, even if he is Chinese, he's still some species of sock puppet or troll. And even if he's not, he's about as entertaining as watching towels dry. At least the meta discussions are amusing to me.

I am not claiming certainty like you and Ashles are. I am questioning whether those swho dismiss him have sufficient evidence though the writing patterns. I am not qualified to judge this and doubt that the others are either. Personally, I am still reserving judgement on whether Shine Sun is:

1. Chinese
2. A sincere practitioner of QiGong

I do think there is some evidence for your position. The word "righteous" seems very out of character, unless S.S. went to school in Missisippi.

I thought about posting some of the examples from their e-mails, but I am legally constrained from doing so since they are internal communications involing intellectual property.

 

[Carn]

Now, do you know where the lumbar is? It is a segment of acantha, near waist.

Ok, finally i think i understood, but still no chronic pain and no problems in the past there.

I do not know.

That is a problem, because practically everybody has breathing problems sometimes, so estimating that i sometimes have breathing problems has a high chance to be true for anybody.

So please can you further limmit this, e.g. once a day, once a week, once a month, once a year, constantly,....

In theory, all people are patient. Only the level of severity is different. So "healthy" means not severe. "Acute or chronical pain", I do not know. I am sorry I meant your pain was not caused by my QiGong. According to dialectical materialism of German, there must be a inner reason. And I do not believe my QiGong is so powerful that it can make someone to get pain at a distance of 7 time zones apart. If you can not find a reason, it is not impossible by my QiGong completely.

Shine Sun

So if i have no problems, that require medical care or medicaments, to keep me alive and out of bed, then i'm healthy?

Is a type 1 diabetes patient, who receives correct amounts of insulin and therefore can live normally, while without insulin he would die in weeks, healthy or not?

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

Ok, finally i think i understood, but still no chronic pain and no problems in the past there.

Only a pain on that day?

So please can you further limmit this, e.g. once a day, once a week, once a month, once a year, constantly,....

Indeed, I do not know. Most of people have difficult to expand their chests for breathing sometimes?

So if i have no problems, that require medical care or medicaments, to keep me alive and out of bed, then i'm healthy?

I surrender. I did not study so deeply.
==============================================

I work on a project with about 30 engineers in Shanghai.

I am working in GuangDong province, the famous city DongGuan.

I do think there is some evidence for your position. The word "righteous" seems very out of character, unless S.S. went to school in Missisippi

As for the word "righteous", I learned it from Bible written in English. I am a Christian.

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:

Only a pain on that day?

No, also the day before and afterwards, but i wouldn't call that chronical.

Indeed, I do not know. Most of people have difficult to expand their chests for breathing sometimes?

Depends on what you mean with sometimes. Anybody has 0-2 times a year breathing problems, when they catch a cold and cough a bit, or when running a few 100m to catch the train.
Therefore try to get more precise information with next qigong session, especially if i have further problems apart from that.

I surrender. I did not study so deeply.


Shine Sun

But you agree that, if i had lung cancer(breathing problems, might still be sometimes) with multiple metastasis all over the body(can cause pain) and hope to live to christmas to see all my family again before dying, would also fit the information you have so far about my health, if you cannot define further what do you mean with "healthy"?

Carn

 

[IXP]

My evidence is based on VERY erratic patterns of grammar and vocabulary.

I see very similar patterns in ALL the Chinese people I communicate with via e-mail.

An almost child like confusion of legends of Jesus.

You wouldn't expect that from someone who did not grow up with Christianity?

Yoda-like cod-philosophy

That's really convincing.

A promise of big money to Carn

I did not see this one, but I would assume he was referring to sharing the $1M.

A lack of comprehension of a common Chinese phrase mentioned by H3LL
The fact that H3LL has taught Chinese students in China for many years and he doesn't feel this sounds like a Chinese person.

I showed H3LL's message to a bonafide native Chinese co-worker. He translated the phrase as "The sea is too big'. If you look back at Shine Sun's reply, he translated it as follows:

"海真大。": Sea is big really.

My co-worker also said he was not aware of any idiomatic meaning or any story associated with this phrase.

IXP

 

[Ashles]

Okay you don't find this evidence convincing.

I personally do. I don't think Shine Sun is for real in any way.

I think our opinions are clear on this matter now and copying and pasting each others' evidence might get a little boring soon.

 

[IXP]

Okay you don't find this evidence convincing.

I personally do. I don't think Shine Sun is for real in any way.

I think our opinions are clear on this matter now and copying and pasting each others' evidence might get a little boring soon.

Truce accepted.

Since I am new here and you have been around for a while, I'd like to ask you a question.

The question about whether someone is a troll seems to come up often. Has anyone tried to put together a list of troll warning signs? I would like to see it if it exists.

 

[Ashles]

The question about whether someone is a troll seems to come up often. Has anyone tried to put together a list of troll warning signs? I would like to see it if it exists.

Good question (especially on this forum where it is often hard to differentiate between people who believe unusual things and trolls who are pretending).

I've got to rush off tonight but it would be interesting to start a thread on this in the general sceptic forum.

I'll do that in a day or two.

See you later,

Ash.

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

Only a pain on that day? No, also the day before and afterwards, but i wouldn't call that chronical.

That is to say, I am correct. Chronical or not, it is not the point.
The pain is the point. It is already wonderful I knew there is a pain by electromagnetic wave transmitted by my body. And the pain is not caused by my QiGong. Tell truly, until now, I still have a little pain on my lumbar. Do you think I can heal some diseases at a long distance? Do you think it is a special healing method? Can you imagine I can heal cancer or AIDS? Do you think it is fair to assign me 0 score?

Depends on what you mean with sometimes. Anybody has 0-2 times a year breathing problems, when they catch a cold and cough a bit, or when running a few 100m to catch the train.

It should be severer than a cold or cough or catching the train.

Therefore try to get more precise information with next qigong session, especially if i have further problems apart from that.

No problem. I think not only detecting illness, but also healing illness just like what Jesus had done. I do not want to earn money by healing illness, I do want to serve for the sportsmen who want to get Gold Plate in olympic games.

But you agree that, if i had lung cancer(breathing problems, might still be sometimes) with multiple metastasis all over the body(can cause pain) and hope to live to christmas to see all my family again before dying, would also fit the information you have so far about my health, if you cannot define further what do you mean with "healthy"?

I do not understand your meaning clearly.

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:



That is to say, I am correct. Chronical or not, it is not the point.
The pain is the point. It is already wonderful I knew there is a pain by electromagnetic wave transmitted by my body. And the pain is not caused by my QiGong. Tell truly, until now, I still have a little pain on my lumbar. Do you think I can heal some diseases at a long distance? Do you think it is a special healing method? Can you imagine I can heal cancer or AIDS? Do you think it is fair to assign me 0 score?

I did not assign 0.
And i know what caused the pain, it was my activities that week, but pain is now gone, as i had chance to rest enough.
About healing i do not know, but feel free to try to heal me, if it doesn't cause you to have a bad day.

It should be severer than a cold or cough or catching the train.



I do not understand your meaning clearly.

Shine Sun

I'm trying to point at the problem, that if you voice some thought on my health and its too general, then it could also be a random hit, e.g. "sometimes you feel very tired" would certainly fit more than 90% of human beings, so such a info, would be practically useless for deciding, if something paranormal is at work, because random hit chance is too high.
Therefore i hope you can define "healthy" and "sometimes breathing problems" further, to avoid this problem.

And this exaple of lung cancer i thought of too show you, that so far i'm not certain, what "healthy" and "sometimes breathing problem" is.
Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Hello Carn:

I'm not sure myself, but he has not yet diagnosed something, which i can certainly define as false, therefore giving 0 seemed a bit unfair.

Forget it! Take it easy! I would like to communicate with you.

And i know what caused the pain, it was my activities that week, but pain is now gone, as i had chance to rest enough.

I am pleased to hear of it.

About healing i do not know, but feel free to try to heal me, if it doesn't cause you to have a bad day.

Only several bad days, it is a small thing. I would like to help other poeple.

what "healthy" and "sometimes breathing problem" is.

They are only some feelings, maybe not so obvious. Maybe we will have an obvious feeling in next test.

And this exaple of lung cancer i thought of too show you

As for "lung cancer", according to my feeling, it should not be so severe. White Qi of lung, it should be a good sign. If there was a cancer, I should feel cold.

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Hello Carn:







Only several bad days, it is a small thing. I would like to help other poeple.





Shine Sun

So far i did not say i have no other problems or illnesses nor did i say that i have. I try to not comment on this, because part of our test is about, whether/how good you are able to determine illnesses via lond distance qi.
So i just wanted to express, that in case you find in any future test an illness, you did not no and i didn't tell about, feel free to heal it, if possible.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

So i just wanted to express, that in case you find in any future test an illness, you did not no and i didn't tell about, feel free to heal it, if possible.

The healing will be done automatically unless I cut off on purpose.

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Did i say something wrong, i thought there were still 5 more tests?

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Did i say something wrong, i thought there were still 5 more tests?

No, you did not say anything wrong, 7 times include 2 times with you and 5 times with other Chinese.

Carn:
I am glad to see your words again so soon. Do you remember Nan? Within these days, I have done 2 times with him, but I can not issue a report for the information is not enough until now.

I have an idea to demonstrate my paranormal ability.

I claim that my paranormal ability is Long Distance QiGong Chronic Disease Healing, especially the diseases related to lumbar. The evidence is Certificate of Diagnosis prescribed by a doctor.

Do you think it is a good idea?

Shine Sun