QiGong Disease Healing Test Report

[sf108]

Ashles, that's entirely plausible to have someone with really bad grammar, even if "does not" and "have not " occur in the same sentence. The "does not" is in a different context to the what was being said in the "have not" context.

Either way, this Shinesun has little ammo.

 

[Carn]

Carn:


According to my experience, generally it is difficult to let other people get some feelings. So I will not use it as evidence to demonstrate my paranormal ability. Generally, the feelings include itching on top surface of head, maybe a little swirling. Do you have that?

I had none of the feelings you describe.
But something you should seriously consider is, that those people you already tried your ability on, only have some feelings because they know what you think they should feel. Ones own imagination can make oneself feel all sorts of things.
I'm just experiencing this, i read your description of feelings, thought about the answer typed the first line and then unconciously i started to scratch my head and when thinking about why i do it i suddenly realised that i felt itching on my head. But this was not from your ability, because then it should have happend on the day after you trying last, it only happened because i read that i could have itching on head and unconciously started scratching.
A lot of things can happen that way.

No matter, I will restore slowly.


What is spirit? I am not sure. Generally I think it is electromagnetic field or wave. But not so simple. As for "what should it know about my life?", I have not related experience.

I asked this things, because if my spirit is very talkative and answers your questions, it would be far easier and convincing to demonstrate, than causing feeling, which also as described above can be imagined.
Can you ask my spirit questions?

What is the cold reading technique? It is greatly different from that after sprinting 400m+.

I found a short description here: http://www.randi.org/library/coldreading/

My short explanation is that the one, who is trying to "read/divine/..." indormation about someone else only gives vague guesses and the one, who is read, then without realy relizing it, passes the main part of the info, so effectively nothing paranormal is going on, the "reader" just useses a good technique to ask question, to get the subject telling the infos.
Cold reading can also happen without the reader knowing or being aware, that its non paranormal, the human mind filters out false guesses and remebers the right and intereprets the vague as right.
Therefore i felt a bit uncertain how to answer your questions about pain in backbone and breathing problems, because they were very diffuse statements.
But i think if i answer just yes/no, this is unlikely to happen via internet.

So my answers:
Sometimes breathing problems: Yes.
Pain in backbone on first night of tests: Yes.
Pain chronic: No.

I meant what we should call the lot of holy underlings.

Difficult, i do not know, some people pray to them, but bible is very strict about only one god thing, i do not know.

Thank you very much!
Waiting for your answers!


Shine Sun

To others:

Can someone explain me shortly, why you're thinking shine sun is making this up. His changing english style can happen with bad english, not knowing some chinese tale is no proof, there are 1 billion chinese and culture in china has experienced severe changes in past 50 years, maybe he is too old or too young or got too much communistic rubbish stufed in his head during education, to know that tale.

Carn

 

[IXP]

Can someone explain me shortly, why you're thinking shine sun is making this up. His changing english style can happen with bad english, not knowing some chinese tale is no proof, there are 1 billion chinese and culture in china has experienced severe changes in past 50 years, maybe he is too old or too young or got too much communistic rubbish stufed in his head during education, to know that tale.

Carn

I communicate with people in China every day via e-mail. I think Shine Sun's use of English is quite consistent with what I have seen. The people I deal with can write reasonabley gramatical English when given enough time, for example when writing a formal spec. But their e-mails are often of a mix of good and bad sentences.

 

[Shine Sun]

Objective Demonstration

Thanks to H3LL I think we can safely surmise that SHINE is pulling our legs. Let's leave him to his own devices now.

I do not think I am pulling your legs. I am looking for an objective demonstration. Do you think R&R is a good concept?

Why don't you have patience to wait for Carn's result?

 

[Shine Sun]

Voice of Righteousness

that's entirely plausible to have someone with really bad grammar, even if "does not" and "have not " occur in the same sentence.

His changing english style can happen with bad english, not knowing some chinese tale is no proof, there are 1 billion chinese and culture in china has experienced severe changes in past 50 years

I communicate with people in China every day via e-mail. I think Shine Sun's use of English is quite consistent with what I have seen. The people I deal with can write reasonabley gramatical English when given enough time, for example when writing a formal spec. But their e-mails are often of a mix of good and bad sentences.

Tears come out of my heart! Finally I heard the voice of righteousness. I believe God is to give me a righteous judgement. Thank God, you do not leave from me!

Shine Sun

 

[Shine Sun]

Test Analysis

Carn:

I had none of the feelings you describe.

No, you had, but you thought it was caused by my description. Yes, I admit "A lot of things can happen that way". But I think you will feel some difference after happenning again and again. Anyway, I will not claim that I can make someone to get special feelings. I will claim that I can find out where the disease is for someone if he/she has and no limit of distance and time.

I asked this things, because if my spirit is very talkative and answers your questions, it would be far easier and convincing to demonstrate, than causing feeling, which also as described above can be imagined.

Good idea! It is also another paranormal ability. But according to my experience and QiGong level, it is difficult to let spirit speak complex words. Anyway, I will try.

As for cold reading, I realized that it is a technique, not paranormal ability. but I think what I did is greatly different from that of cold reading. Thank you very much!

So my answers:Sometimes breathing problems: Yes.Pain in backbone on first night of tests: Yes.Pain chronic: No.

Perhaps, you got a slight disease (maybe it is not so severe to a disease level) near backbone long time ago. Anyway, I mad you to get some special feeling. Is it correct? Anyway I did not fail 100%, I think I got 80 scores if 100 scores is the full. What is your point of view? If you do not feel bad, I would like to do the test again several days later. I am restored basically. Only test is the final judgement. Through this test, I have confidence. After all, it is the first test I did in the world, 7 time zones apart, from China to Germany. Noone did it before me.

Difficult, i do not know, some people pray to them, but bible is very strict about only one god thing, i do not know.

Maybe American or English can give answer.

Anyway, thank all of you again!

Shine Sun

 

[nbenami]

This guy is so clearly a troll that I feel sorry for anyone clueless or naive enough to try and have a conversation with him.

 

[KRAMER]

Indeed.

This guy is so clearly a troll that I feel sorry for anyone clueless or naive enough to try and have a conversation with him.

I'll second that.

 

[Ashles]

Tears come out of my heart! Finally I heard the voice of righteousness.

And some people, after reading this whole thread can still seriously, honestly think Shine Sun is for real?

I'm quite amazed.

Consider the motion thirded.

 

[Carn]

This guy is so clearly a troll that I feel sorry for anyone clueless or naive enough to try and have a conversation with him.

I'm clueless and naive, please explain, why it's certain he is a troll.

E.g. Kumar asks same questions again and again, seems to ignore unwanted answers and posts a lot of inconsistent rubbish, but as far as i know he is not considered a troll, just a bit deluded. I cannot see the major difference between him and shine sun, except shine suns posts might be in the wrong forum, after all, he is not yet applying for challenge and this is forum about challenge.

Carn

 

[nbenami]

I'm clueless and naive, please explain, why it's certain he is a troll.

Well, what point is it trying to explain things to the clueless? . Ok ok. Take a look at the english below:

Good idea! It is also another paranormal ability. But according to my experience and QiGong level, it is difficult to let spirit speak complex words. Anyway, I will try.

As for cold reading, I realized that it is a technique, not paranormal ability. but I think what I did is greatly different from that of cold reading. Thank you very much!

Now, I happen to have a fairly good sense for diction and the above usage is simply not consistent with his other posts, its very clearly indicative of someone whose "faking it" concentration has lapsed.

Furthermore, even the clearly deluded but honest (Kumar, Interesting Ian, etc) have actually gotten into arguments and evinced some limited form of intelligence. This Shim-Sham fellow shows no zero intelligence but rather a sort of forced cluelessness of someone faking things because they have no life and are just enjoying seeing how long they can keep people responding to them.

 

[Carn]

Well, what point is it trying to explain things to the clueless? . Ok ok. Take a look at the english below:

Good idea! It is also another paranormal ability. But according to my experience and QiGong level, it is difficult to let spirit speak complex words. Anyway, I will try.

As for cold reading, I realized that it is a technique, not paranormal ability. but I think what I did is greatly different from that of cold reading. Thank you very much!

Now, I happen to have a fairly good sense for diction and the above usage is simply not consistent with his other posts, its very clearly indicative of someone whose "faking it" concentration has lapsed.

Furthermore, even the clearly deluded but honest (Kumar, Interesting Ian, etc) have actually gotten into arguments and evinced some limited form of intelligence. This Shim-Sham fellow shows no zero intelligence but rather a sort of forced cluelessness of someone faking things because they have no life and are just enjoying seeing how long they can keep people responding to them.

Ok, i have no sense for diction, but e.g. Kumars writing style also has changes, some posts are simply not understandable and plagued with "/" and "&" and other posts are average english, but maybe i'm misjudging, i'm not natural english.

For shine sun showing forced cluelessness, i think someone following a rather strange believe system can show such a sort of cluelessness, when discussing things with people, who know not much of what they believe in.

But rereading was good, i found something, that worries me a bit,
Shine Sun wrote:

"It is easy to cause someone to get some feelings"

"According to my experience, generally it is difficult to let other people get some feelings."

Looks like a direct contradiction a few posts apart.

Shine Sun, what should i make of the above 2 posts?

Seems to much for a typo, either you're a troll making things up or you have no idea, what you can do via qigong, in which case our experiment, is quite useless, as we cannot decide what a success and what a failure would be.

Any other explanation?

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

"It is easy to cause someone to get some feelings""According to my experience, generally it is difficult to let other people get some feelings."

"It is easy to cause someone to get some feelings", it means it is easy for me. Just as I said, I managed to reach the condition of QiGong, and then I sat up in bed, and then meditated your name. The operation is easy or simple.

"According to my experience, generally it is difficult to let other people get some feelings.", it means it is difficult for my test partner. Generally, their bodies are not so sensitive.

It is the second in human history, Jesus is the first who can do it, but Jesus said nothing about how to run it. I found this ability on Jun 21, 2004. I have done the test only 7 times including the 2 times with you. The time is too short, so I have not gotten too much experience. It is normal if there is any contradiction, I think,
It is worth that we give some patience for it. If it is true, then Jesus will be demonstrated and God will also be demonstrated, the world will be upset.

You do not believe it. I do not believe it too. But I am unable not to believe the facts. Only test can give a definite answer. Chinese say: Practice is the unique criteria to check truth. Maybe a bad translation. (实践是检验真理的唯一æ_‡å‡†.)

I hope we continue to do the test. Certainly, enough rest is necessary.

Only one time, you felt the itching, but you think it was caused not by QiGong. Is it easy or difficult?

I said many times the million dollars is not a easy thing.

It is difficult to do a perfect thing. Please give score for the test. I want to give out a test report for summarizing. Again and again, the truth will appear finally! It is naive to deny a thing simply.

 

[Shine Sun]

Safety is the most important

Hello Carn:

The most important is safety. Although you have got a bit itching and a little pain and a small secret is revealed, Do you think it is safe?

If safe, it is reasonable to go on, I think, because the cost is low. Why do we refuse to explore a great thing with safety and low cost?

Truth needs braveness!
God is waiting for our courage!

Best regards,

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Re: Safety is the most important

Hello Carn:

The most important is safety. Although you have got a bit itching and a little pain and a small secret is revealed, Do you think it is safe?

If safe, it is reasonable to go on, I think, because the cost is low. Why do we refuse to explore a great thing with safety and low cost?

Truth needs braveness!
God is waiting for our courage!

Best regards,

Shine Sun

I see no risk for me, except losing some time typing.

I was just trying to understand why some are certain, you make this up, as i cannot see its certain, i just think its possible.

But i do not know, so continue with the test, whenever you want, but my sleep time has changed slightly, its now between 10 pm GMT and 5 am GMT, though as you can see from this posts there is no guarantee for me sleeping at these times.

Carn

 

[Carn]

Carn:





It is the second in human history, Jesus is the first who can do it, but Jesus said nothing about how to run it. I found this ability on Jun 21, 2004. I have done the test only 7 times including the 2 times with you. The time is too short, so I have not gotten too much experience. It is normal if there is any contradiction, I think,
It is worth that we give some patience for it. If it is true, then Jesus will be demonstrated and God will also be demonstrated, the world will be upset.


I hope we continue to do the test. Certainly, enough rest is necessary.



It is difficult to do a perfect thing. Please give score for the test. I want to give out a test report for summarizing. Again and again, the truth will appear finally! It is naive to deny a thing simply.

Just some point on Jesus, even if realy some of the stories about him(e.g. water to wine, raising dead,...) are true, you cannot be certain that he was also using qigong, because as you said, he did not explain how he did things, so how could we know what exactly he was doing.

And i have no problem with continuing the test.

And if i have to give a score for the tests so far it would be around 25 of 100, because no definite feeling caused and your diagnosis of my health problems/condition was not very good, i have no chronical pain in back, only temporary and the rest is very general, which increases the chance its just random hit.
E.g. in germany on any given day, i think you can be certain, that 25%+ people would have some pain in the back, though the score for internet using people might differ. And sometimes breathing problem will also be common, depending on how people will understand sometimes. Same with healthy(after the first test you said i'm a healthy individual), which can be interpreted many ways.

It would be very good, if you could get more precise descriptions, for example what do you mean with "sometimes" and "healthy" and do i have further health problems?

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

You make me pleased, I like to communicate with you. Correct, and say correct; wrong and say wrong; vague, and say vague. And so am I. Can, and I say I can; Can not, and I say I can not. That way, we are carefree in heart. About truth, that depends on God. We might see the QiGong activity as an amusement.

Just some point on Jesus, even if realy some of the stories about him(e.g. water to wine, raising dead,...) are true, you cannot be certain that he was also using qigong, because as you said, he did not explain how he did things, so how could we know what exactly he was doing.

I deem that is just QiGong, but not called QiGong. Because I can see the light of God by meditating God's name. God said, if you pray to me, then I must come. I meditated the name of Laden, and his spirit did come. Maybe we can earn money by it. Do not believe it now. Only see it as an amusement. I think we can earn a lot of money, me and you, if it is true. Laden is concerned, I want to discuss it with you in email. My email address is : heaveninearth@163.com.

And i have no problem with continuing the test.

Good, I will do it more powerfully. I need several days for restoring. I will inform you prior to doing it. Next time, there will be new feelings. Maybe we can see each other, it happened.

And if i have to give a score for the tests so far it would be around 25 of 100,

Satisfied, I just want not zero. That is to say, I did not fail 100%.

What is the paranormal? It must be difficult or It is not worthy of one million dollars.

i have no chronical pain

No chronical pain? Maybe got it long time ago. I remind you thinking carefully. If so, maybe I can heal it up. Body heals body, it is safe. Liver heals liver, lumbar heals lumbar, it is the law of QiGong. Please remember even in China, I am also the No.1, no No.2 now.

 

[Ashles]

Let me get this totally straight Carn.

You still think there may be some possibility Shine Sun is for real?

Erm, how?

Yoda-like phrases of 'wisdom', promises of big money, mentions of Bin Laden and Jesus, magical healing, lack of understanding of Chinese phrases, no actual application for the challenge...

You're being had.

Edited to add: But if you are just doing this all for fun then fair enough. I promise not to repeat myself again on this thread and let you and Shine Sun talk and continue your test without any more of my interruptions (unless something interesting happens or the thread shifts subject a bit).

 

[Carn]

Carn:




Satisfied, I just want not zero. That is to say, I did not fail 100%.



No chronical pain? Maybe got it long time ago. I remind you thinking carefully. If so, maybe I can heal it up. Body heals body, it is safe. Liver heals liver, lumbar heals lumbar, it is the law of QiGong. Please remember even in China, I am also the No.1, no No.2 now.

Its to soon to say whether and how much you failed, i'm still hoping for more precise desciption of "sometimes breathing problems" and "healthy".

But no chronic pain in my back so far in my life.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

Its to soon to say whether and how much you failed, i'm still hoping for more precise desciption of "sometimes breathing problems" and "healthy".But no chronic pain in my back so far in my life.

"sometimes breathing problems",
Sometimes, that must be sometimes. Every hour? Breathing problem, maybe your chest is a little difficult to expand.

"healthy".
It is easily your Qi moves in your body. As a rational conclusion, you will not feel too pain when injured or say you are not afraid of pain.

"no chronic pain in my back"
No, not back, it is waist near lumbar, counterpart to waist on backbone.

Shine Sun