QiGong Disease Healing Test Report

[Carn]

No, you did not say anything wrong, 7 times include 2 times with you and 5 times with other Chinese.

Carn:
I am glad to see your words again so soon. Do you remember Nan? Within these days, I have done 2 times with him, but I can not issue a report for the information is not enough until now.

I have an idea to demonstrate my paranormal ability.

I claim that my paranormal ability is Long Distance QiGong Chronic Disease Healing, especially the diseases related to lumbar. The evidence is Certificate of Diagnosis prescribed by a doctor.

Do you think it is a good idea?

Shine Sun

I thought you would be more succesful, if you tried 7 times or more with the same person?

Will you do any further tests with me?



About your idea, this is not easy, the problem comes from the fact, that very often, people heal themselves, so the difficult question in testing is, whether someone getting better after you used long distance qi, is due to what you did or would have happened anyway. Even expert doctors are often wrong, when trying to predict how the disease of the patient will develop, if untreated.

The same problem arises practically always, when trying to determine whether a medicine is useful or not, human body tries to heal itself, therefore by taking just one person, giving him a medicine and then he gets better, does not prove much, it could have been self healing.
The only way that allows to check whether the medicine has a positive effect, is a double blind placebo controlled test.

The only exception are illnesses, where it is certain, that a natural healing happens never or very, very seldom(e.g. lost leg or type 1 diabetes, which is just the part of body missing that produces insulin).

So unless you can heal some things, which cannot heal naturally, JREF might require such a double blind placebo test.

With your ability, that could look like 30 patients with the same(as far as possible) disease or health problem are the whole test group. This is randomly divided, into 2 groups a 15. Everybody is told, that you try to heal them, but actually you only try to heal only the members of 1 group(called healing group, the others are non-healing group).
If then the group you try to heal, would have afterwards a significantly(thats diffcult to define, but possible) better health or recovered faster/better from the disease, you would have passed.

Further problem would be, that it has to be certain, that nobody of the non-healed group can in any way get to know, that he does not receive qi healing. This would either mean, you are not allowed to communicate with any of those you try to heal or someone would have to make the non-healing group think you also communicate with them.

You might not immiediately see, why such a procedure might be neccessary, but think about how you could measure what difference for a ill person your healing has made. After all the only safe method to know this, would be to split the universe in 2, in 1 you heal, in the other you do not heal, otherwise you cannot certainly tell, how much effect your healing had.

As its impossible to have 2 identical patients with identical condition, you have to take more than 1 person and heal some and compare them to those who received no healing, to at least approximate those above situation.
Then you have to take into acount, that thinking that some medication/healing has taken place can positively effect someone ill, in some way similar to what happened to me, reading that you tried to make my head itch, caused some itching. Therefore all test persons should either think, someone tries to heal them or think no one tries to heal them, if 1 group thinks on this differently than the other, there health might develop differently, because of this.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

I thought you would be more succesful, if you tried 7 times or more with the same person?

Yes, you are correct.

Will you do any further tests with me?

Yes, I will do test with you mainly, and I would like to do test with you. Because
(1) It will give help to win the Paranormal Prize. I understand I can not win the Prize by myself, even if it is true. I need other people's help and I would like to share the Prize if I succeed because a help should have been given to us by God. Certainly, the most important is "safe and low cost".
(2) You are not Chinese, so it is more convincing if succeed.
(3) You have given great help to me. And there are thanks in my heart.
(4) It seems we are brothers in front of God.
(5) Most of Chinese have good impression of Germans. I also adore many German heroes, for example, Rommel and Guderian and Marx and so on. I have an uncle who had ever worked in Germany for one year. He is a senior engineer of designing plane engine.

As for the Nan, I said I would help him, he was injured in a traffic crash. I need to fulfill my words because I am a Christian.

About your comment to my idea, I will consider them carefully.

Thank you very much!

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

(5) I also adore many German heroes, for example, Rommel and Guderian and Marx and so on.

Shine Sun

No majority of former west germany would agree on Marx being a hero(though i think hero is the wrong word, more "great man") and in former east germany it could be close.
I think, that he made a big mistake by never considering, whether the majority of humans, that live on earth, can behave in a way, that communism works and he ignored the fact, that it could turn into dictatorship, unless the leaders were saints. And this faulty theory was unleashed upon the world and many died, because of the faults.

And i do not many german heroes since 1890, mainly those, who tried to stop Hitler. I do not think the term "hero" is still much in use in german.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

it could turn into dictatorship,

Yes, but not only dictatorship, the most important problem is that most of laborers lost freedom. You can not do what you want and are competent of. All good positions were carved up by the leader's relatives, and not enough. So most of people do not want to work. Then dictatorship comes. But the dialectical materialism is correct, I think. The behavior of God can be explained by the dialectical materialism also. Did you see that the thought of God became mature gradually?

And i do not many german heroes since 1890, mainly those, who tried to stop Hitler. I do not think the term "hero" is still much in use in german.

I think Rommel is worthy of the name of hero marginally. There is a little righteousness in Rommel's heart, because he tried to kill Hitler.

Do you remember the words Jews said when they crucified Jesus?

I would like to talk about philosophy with you. But now I want to go back to QiGong.

The only exception are illnesses, where it is certain, that a natural healing happens never or very, very seldom(e.g. lost leg or type 1 diabetes, which is just the part of body missing that produces insulin).So unless you can heal some things, which cannot heal naturally, JREF might require such a double blind placebo test.

I think placebo test is complex and high cost comparatively. The diabetes healing or cancer healing or AIDS healing may be simple and easy. The certificate of diagnosis maybe say all things. Certainly, I did not heal these kinds of diseases. But I ever felt the cold of AIDS with LDQC. Now that I felt the cold of AIDS, why cann't I heal the AIDS? Even if unable to heal up, some good effect can be expected. Perhaps, the patients who got incurable diseases would like to do test with me free of charge. But I have no idea about how I can contact such patients. That is the problem. Could you help me? Of course, firstly, we need to do many more tests and let you have confidence.

Until now I am not restored since last test with Nan. I think I will be good several days later, then I will do a test with you. I swept through all the acantha of Nan by Qi. He felt better, but I got some pain points on my acantha.

Perhaps, heroes or great men are coming.

See you later!

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

I found out my English version bible. In the books of the new testament, Matthew 24, it writes:
"So when Pilate saw that he could do nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took some water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying," I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves." Then the people as a whole answered, " His blood be on us and on our children!" So he released Barabbas for them; and after flogging Jesus, he handed him over to be crucified."

" His blood be on us and on our children!" Do you understand my meaning?

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:




I think placebo test is complex and high cost comparatively. The diabetes healing or cancer healing or AIDS healing may be simple and easy. The certificate of diagnosis maybe say all things. Certainly, I did not heal these kinds of diseases. But I ever felt the cold of AIDS with LDQC. Now that I felt the cold of AIDS, why cann't I heal the AIDS? Even if unable to heal up, some good effect can be expected. Perhaps, the patients who got incurable diseases would like to do test with me free of charge. But I have no idea about how I can contact such patients. That is the problem. Could you help me? Of course, firstly, we need to do many more tests and let you have confidence.



See you later!

General problem with any sort of medicine/treatment is, that health condition can change in a limited way without any sort of treatment.
So whenever a healing effect is within the limits of what could also sometimes happen naturally, you always have to, if you want to know, how much medicine/treatment realy helped, you have to compare patient's situation with someone else, who is in was in exactly same condition, was in all other aspects identical(living style,age...), except, that he did not receive medicine/treatment. As finding identical patient is impossible, the solution is to take several similar patients and compare them under treatment and non-treatment.

Therefore, whenever the effect a medicine/treatment has, is within the limits of what can happen naturally, its very difficult(maybe impossible), to design a test, which gives a definite result for effectivity/ineffectivity, that would not be similar to a DBPC test.

If a healing effects is beyond the limits of what can occur naturally, then a DBPC test could be avoided.
(Something which also is a problem in western medicine, i read about some studies, that claim, that with 70-80% of the treatments/medicines used in western medicine its not certain, that they help in the way doctors think and that a part of these(20-20%) are totally useless. This is simply the result of the fact, that not every medicine/treatment has been or can be subjected to enough DBPC tests and that often doctors do not get to know fast enough, that a certain medicine failed DBPC tests clearly, to adjust their medication/treatments.)

Problem is that these limits of what can happen naturally are vague for a lot of things(e.g. cancer patient was told by doctors, he has 3 months to live and he managed without any treatment 3 years).

I'm just telling so much about this, to make sure you keep in mind, that not every time you do a test and target says it got better, it has been Qi, which made situation better, it could also have been the knowledge, that Qi is tried to be used, or natural healing or target just thinking he got better, although he didn't get better.

He felt better, but I got some pain points on my acantha.

Maybe you should, if its not to complicated, visit a doctor, to let him check, if everything is ok, with your acantha.
If could be possible you had some acantha problem, that is so minor, that you do not notice it normally, but big enough, that you feel some pain, when tring to use Qi, because then your self awareness could be better. But i do not realy know if that could be true.

Carn

 

[Carn]

Carn:

I found out my English version bible. In the books of the new testament, Matthew 24, it writes:
"So when Pilate saw that he could do nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took some water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying," I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves." Then the people as a whole answered, " His blood be on us and on our children!" So he released Barabbas for them; and after flogging Jesus, he handed him over to be crucified."

" His blood be on us and on our children!" Do you understand my meaning?

Shine Sun

Sorry, i do not understand, what you mean.
I just know that this bible passage was used in europe in past centuries as excuse to do some Jew bashing, if the mood was for it.

Also i'm sceptical, that the passage is totally true, because bible states, that during the trial against Jesus non of his followers was present, so how did they get to know that story. It could be that Saulus, who later became a christian named Paulus, was present and reported it, but that's a weak link.
More i'm sceptical, because Rome would not have liked seeing their governors being forced by a mob to break roman laws in important areas(death sentences). I think in their eyes, this would have been asking for rebellion. I expect that such a situation, would far more likely have resulted in Pilatus telling them, they've got the five minutes, it takes to gather enough soldiers, to go home. Romans were not easily impressed by threats of violence.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Jews had paid what they should pay. But what about German? Don't you imagine any good thing for German from this paragraph? Perhaps, the punishment Jews suffered in World War 2 was the meaning of God. That is to say......But Germans went too far. So I made the moral deadline of myself. That is authorization. Without authorization, I will not do any QiGong test. That is the lesson I learnt from Hitler and the Germans in his age. You can find out many evidences to demonstrate the above viewpoint from the Bible.

 

[KRAMER]

????!!!!!

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD????!!!!

Does anybody here mind if I say that this is getting even nuttier than a bag of Yankee Peanuts?

SHINE SUN sure is having his/her way with you people.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he/she is really some guy
with a laptop a few miles from JREF at an Irish Pub.

 

[KRAMER]

Too Much Turkey, perhaps?

Jews had paid what they should pay...That is the lesson I learnt from Hitler and the Germans in his age.

What the...???!!!

This is all the proof I need. This bozo is pulling our proverbial legs.

 

[Carn]

Jews had paid what they should pay. But what about German? Don't you imagine any good thing for German from this paragraph? Perhaps, the punishment Jews suffered in World War 2 was the meaning of God. That is to say......But Germans went too far. So I made the moral deadline of myself. That is authorization. Without authorization, I will not do any QiGong test. That is the lesson I learnt from Hitler and the Germans in his age. You can find out many evidences to demonstrate the above viewpoint from the Bible.

I do not know how to answer this.

Do you mean, that 3 million+ Jews had to die, because of what their ancestors did 2000 years ago and that the 30 million+ people, that died in WW2, which was started mainly because of Nazis, are a acceptable loss, that was worth the punishment of the Jews?

I mean what would you think, if Chinese goverment would nuke some mongolian city and argue that certainly the anchestors of some people in the city, were part of the mongolian forces that atacked China in past centuries? Would it be fair and just?

No.
And God should certainly not do unjust things, he is supposed to be good.
If god realy allowed Hitler to come to power for the sole reason the Jews are punished, i would think about a way to get rid of him, such a god i would never accept.
Seems like our philosophy is far apart. Maybe we should keep discusion to Qi testing.

Do you realy think the Jews deserved the holocaust?

Carn

(BTW, answering the above quesion with "yes" in public, could have at least in Germany legal consequences, though this place might not count as public. But still, i think, if that is your opinion you should not voice it on this forum, it might break some forum rules.)

 

[Shine Sun]

I only wanted to explore the truth. I am sorry I went too far. Let us go to the paranormal challenge.

Carn:
Just like what you have seen, we only need to clarify some small details, then I will apply for the challenge. Let us go to the thread of "Paranormal ability was demonstrated".

 

[Ashles]

Great.

An anti-semite or someone pretending to be an anti-semite.

Either way, how delightful.

 

[Shine Sun]

I say again, I am a Chinese. My hometown is ShenYang city, LiaoNing Province in the northeast of China. Now, I am working for a HongKong company in DongGuan city, GuangDong province. I got the Engineering Bachelor in the Textile University of China in ShangHai city. Now the name of the Textile university of China was changed, maybe EastChina University.