QiGong Disease Healing Test Report

Ashles, it might be just so.

That makes a lot of these threads pointless to read.

How saddening.
 
Re: Paranormal Ability Practice

Shine Sun said:
So please tell me your time zone.


I think:
If my Long Distance Qi Connection or Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing is true, then it is reasonable to believe Jesus's feat and it is also reasonable to believe the existence of God. That is why I hope to do the test with you in front of the world, not only for the million bucks.

GMT+1 hour, its likely that i'm sleeping between 11 pm and 7 am of my time, so 10 pm to 6 am GMT.

BTW, you could ask JREF to get in newspapers and tv stations for the formal test, if you pass the prelim, i'm certain several will be interested, in germany some smaller ones were even interested in prelims.

And afterwards you can still go to Larry King or anyone else, i mean evenUri Geller gets on tv, although he cannot do anything paranormal.

Carn
 
Anyone familiar enough with Jesus to use him as an example would be extremely unlikely to say Italian instead of Roman.

I am sorry, I made a mistake. Yes, Italian does not equal to Roman. You are correct, my English is very bad. Please forgive me if I make any mistake. You know, I am not on purpose. I write posts by dictionary.
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Typical of a con man when pressed.

I am a con man? Time and fact will demonstrate you are wrong and you are too simple.

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he doesn't use terms like mingmen, or anything else that can be compared to the many English language reference books on the subject...nor does he know what 'the door of life' is?

Yes, the door of life just is mingmen. Mingmen is the pronounciation of Chinese word, the door of life is the meaning. Now I know the English name and you know the meaning. Thank you very much! Do you know Xue? Mingmen is a Xue.

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That makes a lot of these threads pointless to read.

If you think tests are of point, then let us do some tests.
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GMT+1 hour, its likely that i'm sleeping between 11 pm and 7 am of my time, so 10 pm to 6 am GMT.

Thank you very much!
You are living in Germany? My time (BeiJing time) is GMT + 8 hours. Your time is early by 7 hours than my time. That is to say, I can do the test in period between 6 am and 2 pm, is it correct?

In day (8 hours + 3 hours in evening, very sad, an engineer in HongKong company in GuangDong province), I need to work from Monday to Saturday. That is to say, I can only do the test on Sunday. If I will be in good condition, the first test will be on Oct 31st. Generally, the test lasts about 0.5 hour. As for the concrete time, I do not know now, it depends on the status of my body. What you need to do is only forgetting it.


BTW, you could ask JREF to get in newspapers and tv stations for the formal test, if you pass the prelim, i'm certain several will be interested, in germany some smaller ones were even interested in prelims.

Thank you again! I will consider your opinion about the formal test. I hope I have chance to do the tests with the smaller ones including Larry King and Uri Geller and anyone else.

Finally, do not expect me too much! First time, you may feel nothing, I think I will know something about you. Generally, I need 7 times.

Thank you very much again!

Shine Sun
 
Shine Sun said:




That is to say, I can do the test in period between 6 am and 2 pm, is it correct?
Yes.

What you need to do is only forgetting it.

Shine Sun

How can i forget something on intent?

No matter, probably do not remeber on sunday anyway, busy week.

Carn
 
First Experiment Has Been Done-Carn

Hello Carn:

Do you have any special feeling today (Oct 28,2004)?

The first experiment (Shine Sun and Carn) has been done.

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How can i forget something on intent?

You do not need to forget it on intent. My meaning is that you do not need to do anything about the Long Distance Qi Connection test. I said:" I only need your authorization".

Shine Sun
 
I'm convinced...

I'm convinced this is a joke.

That's what I'm now convinced of.
 
Shine Sun is every bit as Chinese as Haggis.

Speaking like Yoda is he.
Our leg pulling is he.
Healing ability has he my butt on par with.
 
Re: First Experiment Has Been Done-Carn

Shine Sun said:
Hello Carn:

Do you have any special feeling today (Oct 28,2004)?

The first experiment (Shine Sun and Carn) has been done.

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Shine Sun

Sorry,
no special feeling today,
but i was realy tired all day, but that is not to anything you've done. Due to illness in my family, i did not get more than 4 hours of sleep and those sleep was disturbed often and i could not sleep long in the morning.
So maybe, whatever feeling was produced was drowned in tiredness, then its bad luck.

But health is already getting better(not mine, i was not ill), so i hope i'll get more sleep this night.

Carn
 
Due to illness in my family, i did not get more than 4 hours of sleep and those sleep was disturbed often and i could not sleep long in the morning.

I am sorry of hearing of illness. I wish I can do something for it. Can I help you? I am a semi-doctor.

Less than 4 hours of sleep, indeed you need to have a good sleep. Yes, it is possible that the feeling was drowned, for the feelings of QiGong and lack of sleep are very similar. As for the concrete feeling, I do not want to say now. Otherwise, other people will say I am inducing you.

By the test, I have a preliminary feeling about you. You have a good health, only a little pain on your acantha upward a little from lumbar.

No problem, I did not succeed, also I did not fail. I will do the test on Sunday.

Why did I do the test yesterday morning? I want to explain my change.

About 5 o'clock, suddenly I waked up. I found I was in good condition of QiGong. Then I remembered your name, then the connection was established. I tried to cut off. But I found it was a little difficult to cut it off. And I remembered Jesus's words, "I will come just as a thief". Moreover, you have authorized me, so I let it be.

Anyway, on Sunday, maybe not Sunday. Forget it. Do not burden you.

Shine
 
What the hell is a "semi-doctor"?

Someone who got kicked out of medical school for laziness?
Someone who reads the Reader's Digest Symptoms Guide in the toilet?
Someone who once thought about being a doctor but decided it looked like hard work?
Someone who likes ER?

the feelings of QiGong and lack of sleep are very similar
Great. Sounds like a really helpful gift.
Maybe you should provide a warning about not driving or operating heavy machinery while getting QiGonged.

Carn, be careful of that acantha pain - you don't want to get the Acantha lifestyle
 
Shine Sun said:



You have a good health, only a little pain on your acantha upward a little from lumbar.



Shine

Where and what is acantha and where and what is lumbar?

Carn
 
Ashles said:
Nope, not buying this.

The pseudo translated English style does not seem consistent.

I have to strongly agree. Having taught Chinese university students in China for many years, this does not look like any Chinglish I have seen before. It has an artificial feel about it.

No evidence, just experience. I could be wrong.
 
I could try a check that is hard to find on the Internet.

For Sun Shine, a question....

"海真大。"

Why is this phrase very funny?
 
First Experiment with Carn

Where and what is acantha and where and what is lumbar?
Carn:
You are not an American? You are a German. I would like to learn English with you together. But I think other people will laugh at that we learn English in front of American or English. I think it is interesting and I like to go on to learn English.

As for acantha, it is also called chine,backbone and spondyle.
As for lumbar, it is a part of acantha, counterpart to waist.
Could you tell me the difference between God and divinity? Is the relationship of God and divinity as same as that of bus and vehicle?

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Someone who got kicked out of medical school for laziness?

Shine Sun is an Engineering Bachelor. I learned QiGong in university.

Maybe you should provide a warning about not driving or operating heavy machinery while getting QiGonged.

Yes, that is my meaning of steel safe or absolutely safe.

Carn, be careful of that acantha pain - you don't want to get the Acantha lifestyle

Can I let someone get the Acantha lifestyle at a distance of 7 time zones apart? If so, Mr. Randi must give me the Million Dollars. In fact, I may be able to heal the disease of acantha up.
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"海真大。"Why is this phrase very funny?

I feel very good to see Chinese. But I don't understand your meaning. Maybe you want to say, Jesus's feat may be true, that is what I manage to demonstrate. "海真大。": Sea is big really. Anything is reasonable to happen.
 
Second Experiment with Carn

Carn:
From 7:56 to 8:40 am (Oct 31st 2004) of BeiJing time, the second experiment was done. Do you have any special feeling? Do you have a strange dream?

I am not restored completely since last experiment, but I still managed to do it.

I managed to reach the condition of QiGong. I sat up on bed and meditate your name. Then a part of your spirit came into my body. I asked: " Are you the carn, the German, who will do the test with me over internet?" You answered: " Yes." Do you think it is interesting?

I felt a little difficult to breathe, but soon, it disappeared. Are you a little difficult to breathe sometime? I sighted white Qi in my body. It is the Qi of lung.

That is all I want to say about this test.

Wish you have a good sleep.

Shine Sun
 
Re: First Experiment with Carn

Shine Sun said:
Maybe you want to say, Jesus's feat may be true, that is what I manage to demonstrate. "海真大。": Sea is big really. Anything is reasonable to happen.

This is a common phrase used by many in China to summarise a certain humorous long story. Many know the story, buy not you it seems. It has nothing to do with Jesus and possibly pre-dates xians by 1000 years or more.

I have no idea where you are from, but I have my doubts that you are in/from China. As deception is the foundation of Qigong, whether of self or others, this comes as no surprise.

If the following is an example of the treatment of others by people like you, I have little interest:

From the article below:
In daring to speak the truth about qigong, Sima Nan has been kicked, beaten, detained, tortured, ridiculed and accused of betraying his culture. He has suffered two crushed vertebrae, a crushed trachea and other injuries at the hands of those who were unhappy with Sima Nan's questioning the validity of qigong and the claims of various qigong masters.

If you are in China I suggest you read this article and contact them. I'm sure they will be delighted to test your claims. There are contact emails in the article.

Save your efforts for them and stop adding to the problems and misery of vulnerable Chinese struggling with momentous changes in their country.

Alternatively, go back to university and study real medicine and do real good for real people and leave behind this foolish mi xin. You have the ability where others in China do not.
 
Re: Second Experiment with Carn

Shine Sun said:
Carn:
From 7:56 to 8:40 am (Oct 31st 2004) of BeiJing time, the second experiment was done. Do you have any special feeling? Do you have a strange dream?

I am not restored completely since last experiment, but I still managed to do it.

I managed to reach the condition of QiGong. I sat up on bed and meditate your name. Then a part of your spirit came into my body. I asked: " Are you the carn, the German, who will do the test with me over internet?" You answered: " Yes." Do you think it is interesting?

I felt a little difficult to breathe, but soon, it disappeared. Are you a little difficult to breathe sometime? I sighted white Qi in my body. It is the Qi of lung.

That is all I want to say about this test.

Wish you have a good sleep.

Shine Sun

Sorry,
no special feeling today and no dream, that i remeber, but i did not try to remeber my dreams and then i normally forget them in a few minutes, i will try to remeber my dreams the next days.

Please do not exhaust yourself doing this.

About my spirit coming to you, it would be certainly interesting, but i do not remember anything about that.
What is my "spirit" and what should it know about my life?
From my point of view, there are a lot of things about my life my spirit is free to tell you, e.g. how old i am, in which city i live, what i do in my job, though a internet search might provide those things as well, i do not know what is in the net about me.
So better ask some things internet cannot know, e.g. what age did i first fall in love with somebody, where did i met him/her, if/when/how i did tell him/her about, if/how long was there a "romance" or am i still with him/her.

But find out only a few answers, i do not want to read the story of my life on this forum.

About breathing, everybody has breeathing problems under certain circumstances(e.g. after sprinting 400m+), so i do not know how to answer your question, without risking to fall in for cold reading technique, can you get more information about this?

(question for rest, if i answer "yes/no", would this already open the door for cold reading?)

And my sleep is good again, thanks.
Might be that my sleep times change slightly in the next days(had summer/winter time change today, stupid thing), but the times i have given should still do.

And about my acantha, did you mean, that i have a chronical pain there or just had pain there on that day, or is it too diffcult to tell the difference?

About divinity and god and bus and vehicle, trusting my dictionary i think you are partly right, bus is a vehicle and god is a divine being, but i think its not very exact, if you mean the christian god, as there are thousands of busses and different types of, but acording to christians there is only one god(with a lot of holy underlings and an evil counterpart, that's no real match).
Also my dictionary says that divinity can also mean theology.


Carn
 
Carn:

no special feeling today and no dream, that i remeber
According to my experience, generally it is difficult to let other people get some feelings. So I will not use it as evidence to demonstrate my paranormal ability. Generally, the feelings include itching on top surface of head, maybe a little swirling. Do you have that?

Please do not exhaust yourself doing this.
No matter, I will restore slowly.

What is my "spirit" and what should it know about my life?
What is spirit? I am not sure. Generally I think it is electromagnetic field or wave. But not so simple. As for "what should it know about my life?", I have not related experience.

What is the cold reading technique? It is greatly different from that after sprinting 400m+.

And about my acantha, did you mean, that i have a chronical pain there or just had pain there on that day, or is it too diffcult to tell the difference?
It is a chronical pain there. not "just had pain there on that day".

there is only one god(with a lot of holy underlings and an evil counterpart, that's no real match).
I meant what we should call the lot of holy underlings.

Thank you very much!
Waiting for your answers!
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H3LL:

This is a common phrase used by many in China to summarise a certain humorous long story. Many know the story, buy not you it seems. It has nothing to do with Jesus and possibly pre-dates xians by 1000 years or more.

Indeed, I am a Chinese, I never went out of China. I also don't know the phrase. Many Chinese also donot know the phrase. China is big really. Xian, you mean the home of God built by David in Israel?

You mentioned Sima Nan. Yes, I know him and his prize. I have written many posts to contact him. He only replyed one post. He asked me to demonstrate my paranormal ability. But I asked him to confirm whether my claim of Long Distance Qi Connection is a paranormal ability or not. He does not say "Yes" and "Not". I said if I have demonstrated my claim and you say it is not paranormal ability, then What shall I do? He does not give any reply. According to other people's investigation, at present, Sima Nan have not so much money. So I know, there are traps, or bugs in Sima Nan's program of paranormal challenge. I donot want to waste time with Sima Nan.

Mr. Randi is different from Sima Nan. I believe JREF has so much money. I sent emails to Mr. Randi and c.c. to Kramer and asked them confirm if my Long Distance Qi Connection is a paranormal ability. Mr. Randi replied: "Yes, it is a paranormal ability." That encouraged me. I do not apply until now, for I know, it is indeed a difficult thing to demonstrate it even if it is true. We know AIDS, but how to demonstrate it will be healed up in future or not? It is difficult to know a thing, it is also difficult to demonstrate a thing that you have known, especially for a strictly scientific demonstration. JREF requires a self-evident,two blind, objective demonstration. According to ISO, it also needs to meet the requirement of R&R, repeatability and reproducibility. Now I am managing to find the feasibility to meet the requirement of R&R. Generally, the R&R was met, then the thing will be considered as true.

The false are more than the true forever.

Shine Sun
 
Shine Sun said:
The false are more than the true forever.

I'll say.

Thanks to H3LL I think we can safely surmise that SHINE is pulling our legs. Let's leave him to his own devices now.
 
The longer the post the more sloppy Shine gets with his facade:

He does not give any reply. According to other people's investigation, at present, Sima Nan have not so much money.

"Does not give" followed in the very next sentence by "have not so much money"?

Hmm...
 

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