Paul Bethke vs the 613 Mitzvot

JayUtah said:
No, Bethke. Repeatedly calling your critics stupid is childish. This thread has tested your knowledge of the Torah, and we can count the many times it has come up short. You're going to need better arguments than just making up a new way of being right that only you get to use.
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You and others are stuck in the traditional way that Christianity conceives the Gospel—now the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah is a way for the Creator to bring things in line with his original plan and purpose. And that is to establish his Kingdom here on earth, that will not be an easy task, as man will not accept the terms the Creator is offering.

So, taking that into account a way is revealed through prophecy on how that will be done.
Now prophecy is the wisdom of Yahweh revealed unto men how this will be done.

There is a prophetic thread that runs through Scripture that enables one to grasp the method that will be used—now Jesus imparts the wisdom of the Creator, in a rather secretive way, but not beyond our grasp.

So, if one does not start at the beginning then one will not know the ENDIND. So, stupidity is to ignore the intricate teachings of Jesus.

Because the Churches reject what Jesus decreed about marriage the secrets of the will of the Creator is hidden from them.

Now a sanctified marriage is the cardinal focus of the Creator, so until this can be established then there can be no progress.

So, hence my continual focus on adultery---Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

So, as in the days of Noah, Yahweh will bring judgement on all who commit adultery—adultery as I have spelled out is the violation of a sanctified marriage, between a man and a woman.

So the world is full of adultery so the judgement is going to be massive, starting at the false Churches, who have neglected to promote holiness in marriage---Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

So what I find so bewildering is that the Churches claim to be believers BUT they ignore the fundamental structure of a holy marriage!!
 
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Paul Bethke said:
You and others are stuck in the traditional way that Christianity conceives the Gospel—now the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah is a way for the Creator to bring things in line with his original plan and purpose. And that is to establish his Kingdom here on earth, that will not be an easy task, as man will not accept the terms the Creator is offering.

So, taking that into account a way is revealed through prophecy on how that will be done.
Now prophecy is the wisdom of Yahweh revealed unto men how this will be done.

There is a prophetic thread that runs through Scripture that enables one to grasp the method that will be used—now Jesus imparts the wisdom of the Creator, in a rather secretive way, but not beyond our grasp.

So, if one does not start at the beginning then one will not know the ENDIND. So, stupidity is to ignore the intricate teachings of Jesus.

Because the Churches reject what Jesus decreed about marriage the secrets of the will of the Creator is hidden from them.

Now a sanctified marriage is the cardinal focus of the Creator, so until this can be established then there can be no progress.

So, hence my continual focus on adultery---Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

So, as in the days of Noah, Yahweh will bring judgement on all who commit adultery—adultery as I have spelled out is the violation of a sanctified marriage, between a man and a woman.

So the world is full of adultery so the judgement is going to be massive, starting at the false Churches, who have neglected to promote holiness in marriage---Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

So what I find so bewildering is that the Churches claim to be believers BUT they ignore the fundamental structure of a holy marriage!!
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Why do you make up all this BS about following Mitzvot that you don't actually follow, or even know about, when your real concern is sexual conduct?

Are we supposed to see it as a "tell" that your claims of marital fidelity are as fictional as your claims of Mitzvot adherence?

Were you concerned your "theology" didn't have enough meat to it so you felt the need to add a bunch of extra claims to "flesh it out?"

What's the deal with the whole Mitzvot tangent?
 
Border Reiver said:
I'd prefer him in Planet of the Apes.
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Yes, a great role in a great movie whose spaceship was designed by Colin Cantwell, who also designed the TIE fighter, and with whom I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon in March. What a charming gentleman. Mr Bethke might take some notes about how to create a credible mythology and attract followers.
 
JayUtah said:
Yes, a great role in a great movie whose spaceship was designed by Colin Cantwell, who also designed the TIE fighter, and with whom I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon in March. What a charming gentleman. Mr Bethke might take some notes about how to create a credible mythology and attract followers.
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I hope not. The last thing sane people want is for a misogynist, genocidal religious zealot (not insults, demonstrable facts) to have followers.
 
Beady said:
What? You don't like Heston? He over-emotes so grandloqu[e]ntly.
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Heston's above and beyond himself as the 1st Player in Brannagh's Hamlet. (I know, slightly off topic, but he's meant to be entertaining and knows he's putting on airs whereas PB unintentionally is entertaining while not realizing he's putting on airs.)
 
Paul Bethke said:
You and others are stuck in the traditional way that Christianity conceives the Gospel—now the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah is a way for the Creator to bring things in line with his original plan and purpose. And that is to establish his Kingdom here on earth, that will not be an easy task, as man will not accept the terms the Creator is offering.

So, taking that into account a way is revealed through prophecy on how that will be done.
Now prophecy is the wisdom of Yahweh revealed unto men how this will be done.

There is a prophetic thread that runs through Scripture that enables one to grasp the method that will be used—now Jesus imparts the wisdom of the Creator, in a rather secretive way, but not beyond our grasp.

So, if one does not start at the beginning then one will not know the ENDIND. So, stupidity is to ignore the intricate teachings of Jesus.

Because the Churches reject what Jesus decreed about marriage the secrets of the will of the Creator is hidden from them.

Now a sanctified marriage is the cardinal focus of the Creator, so until this can be established then there can be no progress.

So, hence my continual focus on adultery---Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

So, as in the days of Noah, Yahweh will bring judgement on all who commit adultery—adultery as I have spelled out is the violation of a sanctified marriage, between a man and a woman.

So the world is full of adultery so the judgement is going to be massive, starting at the false Churches, who have neglected to promote holiness in marriage---Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

So what I find so bewildering is that the Churches claim to be believers BUT they ignore the fundamental structure of a holy marriage!!
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In other words, ...

The world would be a much better place if everyone just did what you thought was the correct thing to do.

With a horrible attitude like that, then you will have very few, if any, followers of your particular religious ideals.
 
Paul Bethke said:
You and others are stuck in the traditional way that Christianity conceives the Gospel—now the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Messiah is a way for the Creator to bring things in line with his original plan and purpose. And that is to establish his Kingdom here on earth, that will not be an easy task, as man will not accept the terms the Creator is offering.

So, taking that into account a way is revealed through prophecy on how that will be done.
Now prophecy is the wisdom of Yahweh revealed unto men how this will be done.

There is a prophetic thread that runs through Scripture that enables one to grasp the method that will be used—now Jesus imparts the wisdom of the Creator, in a rather secretive way, but not beyond our grasp.

So, if one does not start at the beginning then one will not know the ENDIND. So, stupidity is to ignore the intricate teachings of Jesus.

Because the Churches reject what Jesus decreed about marriage the secrets of the will of the Creator is hidden from them.

Now a sanctified marriage is the cardinal focus of the Creator, so until this can be established then there can be no progress.

So, hence my continual focus on adultery---Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

So, as in the days of Noah, Yahweh will bring judgement on all who commit adultery—adultery as I have spelled out is the violation of a sanctified marriage, between a man and a woman.

So the world is full of adultery so the judgement is going to be massive, starting at the false Churches, who have neglected to promote holiness in marriage---Heb 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

So what I find so bewildering is that the Churches claim to be believers BUT they ignore the fundamental structure of a holy marriage!!
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The Bible explicitly mentions gay male sex but makes no explicit reference to lesbians. Does lesbian sex "count" in your estimation?

What's your stance on a man whose wife has a girlfriend spectating during their, er, "play" time?

Does a woman "pegging" a guy count as a marriage inducing sexual encounter in your theology?
 
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