Paul Bethke vs the 613 Mitzvot

So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?

So are you an example of how Jews think?

Rejection of the truth will always be the downfall of the Jews, is that why they suffer so much----not only do you not see the truth, but you reject the Torah, which Jesus the Messiah upheld.

It is not a rejection of Jesus as the Messiah but the rejection of Torah.
 
Good reasoning!

Just for the record I would like to present this statement from another source that I find is agreeable with what I deduce.

For many of us, some of the actual commandments in the Torah can feel arcane, outdated, irrelevant. Yet, when we push ourselves beyond the surface of any given law — beyond the “thou shalt” or “thou shalt not,” we will find openings to regain relevance over many of these values and principles.

We refer to the Torah as an eternal document. And if the Torah is to truly be eternal, then we must push ourselves to see it as something more than merely a visage of a past culture; we must find practical ways to maintain its relevance through tapping into the deeper values that are the foundation for its laws and practices.

Even as Shmita is an obligatory law only for Jews living in the Land of Israel, its values provide an opening for all of us to deeply engage in the cycles of our lives in a proactive manner.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/finding-meaning-in-an-ancient-agricultural-law/


According to Rabbinic tradition, there are 613 mitzvot, or commandments, in the Torah: 365 things you should not do and 248 things you should do.

After one subtracts the numerous mitzvot specific to the Temple and its rituals — rituals that have not been performed since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE— 369 commandments remain, of which 26 are applicable only in the Land of Israel. (Sefer HaChinukh, a 13th-century Spanish text of unknown authorship, categorizes and explains the 613 mitzvot and their sources in the Torah). One of these 26 mitzvot appears in this week’s Torah portion, Parashat Behar: the mitzvah of Shmita.

So all laws must be considered, and those that have a practical application applied.

So now the Temple is replaced with the believer becoming that place where the Presence of Yahweh can abide—now the believer does not have to travel to Jerusalem in order to encounter the Presence of Yahweh—so we consider many laws as the foreshadow of a greater experience.

Hence, it was the purpose of the YOM KIPPUR rituals to purify it all, so that God would be able to continue dwelling there.

Now let’s fast forward approximately 2000 years to our day and age.
What do the apostolic scriptures tell us?
“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple
and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?”
-1 Corinthians 3:16


Does this not say that believers today have literally (NOT symbolically) become the sanctuary of God?
Does this not imply that the Spirit of God currently dwelling in every believer purifies us and makes us CLEAN?
 
So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?

But then you like many other Jews have not taken cognizance of what the Prophet prophesied---Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Emmanuel.

You SEE adultery was and is the sin of Israel, and it is the sin for which Jews are mostly committing, but is it not that most of the world is guilty of?

So the bite will be worse than the bite—are you not bitten?
 
But then you like many other Jews have not taken cognizance of what the Prophet prophesied---Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Emmanuel.

You SEE adultery was and is the sin of Israel, and it is the sin for which Jews are mostly committing, but is it not that most of the world is guilty of?

So the bite will be worse than the bite—are you not bitten?

So why did Mary not call him Emmanuel?

Why was Mary an adultress?

How does a nation commit adultery?

What bite?

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It is a simple conclusion for a pure mind. As man with man having anal sex which is termed detestable by the Creator so anal sex with a wife is just as detestable, as this is not what the Creator intended.



It shows how corrupt people have become to want to indulge in this unnatural way—it is another reason that the world will be judged. Besides anal sex cannot produce progeny.

Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.



So not only lesbian acts but also anal sex..


Your interpretation seems to hinge on your own belief that man-woman anal sex is "unnatural", basing this on the quite correct idea that anal sex cannot produce children, which begs the question, "Where is the command that sex or marital relations in general MUST be able to produce children?"

Are you holding to the idea that sex between a couple in a sanctified marriage must be with the goal of producing children? What about infertile couples? Older couples? How about just some good old fashioned sex for pleasure?

It would seem that, once again, you choose to read your own prejudices into scripture.
 
Paul,
MOST sex, even Missionary-Correct Puritan-Approved™ sex will (much if not most of the time) not produce progeny. And again you presume to know, undemonstrated, the purported (read here selectively chosen) intentions of an undemonstrated god(s).
 
So are you an example of how Jews think?



Rejection of the truth will always be the downfall of the Jews, is that why they suffer so much----not only do you not see the truth, but you reject the Torah, which Jesus the Messiah upheld.



It is not a rejection of Jesus as the Messiah but the rejection of Torah.



Yep. He went with the "not a real Jew" argument.
 
It is a simple conclusion for a pure mind. As man with man having anal sex which is termed detestable by the Creator so anal sex with a wife is just as detestable, as this is not what the Creator intended.

It shows how corrupt people have become to want to indulge in this unnatural way—it is another reason that the world will be judged. Besides anal sex cannot produce progeny.
Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

So not only lesbian acts but also anal sex..

Aw shucks! No anal sex and no lesbian sex.

This news will be a real disappointment to about 75% of the porn industry.

;)
 
Aw shucks! No anal sex and no lesbian sex.

This news will be a real disappointment to about 75% of the porn industry.

;)

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I'm reminded of the t-shirt that says, "I only Watch Porn that Passes the Bechdel test." The ban on Period sex is clearly an artifact of the days before convenient in-home showers and laundry machines. Moses couldn't exactly lay down a towel, go to town on Zipporah during that time of the month, toss the towel in the wash on the "sanitize" cycle and hop in the shower with his wife for some post-coital hot water necking. I suppose you could say people trying to follow those laws today are a gluten for punishment. (OK, I admit, that last link was enough of a stretch to enter into a taffy pulling contest.) Still, though, I think we all know what racists are really like.

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Your interpretation seems to hinge on your own belief that man-woman anal sex is "unnatural", basing this on the quite correct idea that anal sex cannot produce children, which begs the question, "Where is the command that sex or marital relations in general MUST be able to produce children?"

Are you holding to the idea that sex between a couple in a sanctified marriage must be with the goal of producing children? What about infertile couples? Older couples? How about just some good old fashioned sex for pleasure?

It would seem that, once again, you choose to read your own prejudices into scripture.
So well, how did you come into the world—certainly not through anal sex.
 
Your interpretation seems to hinge on your own belief that man-woman anal sex is "unnatural"...

Or rather, the other Paul's belief -- the one who wrote the letter to the Romans. Go through the Pauline writings and see how many times St Paul (not the false prophet Bethke) tries to establish as doctrine things that are simply, to him, "unnatural." Well, I guess Bethke does that too, but that's not my point.
 
Well what is a real Jew?

Clearly not you. You specifically told us that you don't comply with the mitzvot that are meant only for Jews. Therefore you can't very well think of yourself as one. That certainly calls into question your ability to determine whether actual Jews are practicing correctly. We already know you take the Calvinist approach to the Torah and don't really understand at all how the Jews read it.
 
So well, how did you come into the world—certainly not through anal sex.

That depends upon if the woman has a rectal-vaginal fistula.

The tissue separating those two regions is quite fragile and can be damaged in a wide variety of ways.
 
Clearly not you. You specifically told us that you don't comply with the mitzvot that are meant only for Jews. Therefore you can't very well think of yourself as one. That certainly calls into question your ability to determine whether actual Jews are practicing correctly. We already know you take the Calvinist approach to the Torah and don't really understand at all how the Jews read it.
No I am not a Jew, but I am a righteous gentile who has converted to the teachings of Yeshua the Messiah—I do not know what the Calvinist approach to the Torah means so I cannot be a Calvinist.
One does not have to be a Jew to understand the Ten Commands as set out in Exodus 20.
Deut_4:13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.

So those Ten Commands are the first commands that the Creator proclaimed and they are known as the Covenant. These commands are reiterated throughout the Tanakh, and in the New Covenant.

So how can you say that I cannot read and understand them—Jesus referred to them---Matthew 19:17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
Mat 19:18 "Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Then there are other references to the TEN—So Calvinists believe in justification by faith---but they still eat pig!!

The Torah will always be the basis of the faith---
For many of us, some of the actual commandments in the Torah can feel arcane, outdated, irrelevant. Yet, when we push ourselves beyond the surface of any given law — beyond the “thou shalt” or “thou shalt not,” we will find openings to regain relevance over many of these values and principles.
We refer to the Torah as an eternal document. And if the Torah is to truly be eternal, then we must push ourselves to see it as something more than merely a visage of a past culture; we must find practical ways to maintain its relevance through tapping into the deeper values that are the foundation for its laws and practices. Even as Shmita is an obligatory law only for Jews living in the Land of Israel, its values provide an opening for all of us to deeply engage in the cycles of our lives in a proactive manner.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/finding-meaning-in-an-ancient-agricultural-law/

So even if the practical application is not met, the lesson learned from the laws still have relevant teaching as with the Temple—the Temple is gone, but a new understanding is realized.
(2Co_6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

So the Temple is the believers—so in other ways the law leads us to a greater understanding, based on the law—as is the case of sin offering of animals.
 
That depends upon if the woman has a rectal-vaginal fistula.

The tissue separating those two regions is quite fragile and can be damaged in a wide variety of ways.

Perhaps in isolated cases--but that is not the norm---so the fragile tissue is the problem.

But it is still a corruption of what the Creator designed.
 
No I am not a Jew, but I am a righteous gentile who has converted to the teachings of Yeshua the Messiah—

And, like so many Christians, you have almost no correct knowledge about Judaism. Therefore you have no basis for determining whether a Jew is a good Jew or not, in the sense of being true to the Jewish faith and teachings.

I do not know what the Calvinist approach to the Torah means so I cannot be a Calvinist.

Non sequitur. Your exegetical tradition fits an established pattern whether you know the name of the pattern or not.

One does not have to be a Jew to understand the Ten Commands...

Your obsession over the decalogue doesn't fix all the other errors you've made in all the other parts of the Torah you use, including your misunderstanding of Judaic doctrine, history, and culture. Spare us the irrelevant scripture dumps.
 
As man with man having anal sex which is termed detestable by the Creator so anal sex with a wife is just as detestable, as this is not what the Creator intended.

That doesn't follow.

It shows how corrupt people have become to want to indulge in this unnatural way

Dolphins have nasal sex. Is that unnatural?

So well, how did you come into the world—certainly not through anal sex.

That is circular, and doesn't answer the question.
 
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So why did your "Creator" god, "Yahweh" dump his wife, the goddess Asherah? Then he took up with another goddess, Anat, for a while.

Then he dumped her as well.

After that your god impregnated a human teenager, who was married!

Is that the reason your god's illegitimate son barks on about adultery?

So are you an example of how Jews think?

Studying/learning/knowing history has zero to do with being a jew or not.

You did not answer my question.

Why not?

Rejection of the truth........<snip, blah, blah, blah>---not only do you not see the truth......<snip, blah, blah, blah>

So why do you reject the historical truth? Why do you refuse to see the truth?

Unlike you, I have studied history. It is your choice if you want to remain ignorant of historical and archeaological facts.

Are you going to answer my question or not?
 

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