One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Ashles]

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Insects do it by stickiness, other animals (eg geckos) do it by suction.

Are you implying that paint would not stick to 0% porosity glass?

 

[Mojo]

I can't say, what type of glass was there during Dr.Hahn.'s time & what he used in practice?

Are you suggesting that homeopathy worked for Hahnamann because he was using the defective equipment available at the time, and the reason it doesn't work whenever it's tested nowadays is because modern techniques and equipment mean that the preparations are too contaminant-free?

 

[Dan Beaird]

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I am trying this from you. How insects climb on a vertical plain glass? How water stick to it? How a glass hold paint as on back of mirror?

So Kumar:

What magical homeopathic practice tells the stuck molecules it's okay for them to release from the glass and move into the potion?

I assume that there is a special homeopathic practice for this if it is the actual mechanism used by the witchdoctors. I expect it would also qualify for the million.

Note: This is merely a continuation of Kumar's whacky notion, not anything like admitting that it actually happens.

 

[Bronze Dog]

I feel obligated, once again, to point out that the paranormal question is moot until someone can prove homeopathy works. The same thing is true of all this "dirty glass" explanation. You have to have something occur before you look for an explanation for that event.

We now return to your regularly scheduled troll feeding.

 

[Ashles]

I feel obligated, once again, to point out that the paranormal question is moot until someone can prove homeopathy works. The same thing is true of all this "dirty glass" explanation. You have to have something occur before you look for an explanation for that event.

Oh we know.
But we can see Kumar forming yet another theory out of thin air and just wanted to point out (in several different ways) right from the outset that this theory does not hold water, before he gets too involved with it.

 

[Yaotl]

Oh we know.
But we can see Kumar forming yet another theory out of thin air and just wanted to point out (in several different ways) right from the outset that this theory does not hold water, before he gets too involved with it.

Is anybody keeping track of everything he's used so far? Would be interesting to see if anything he's used completely negates something else he's used as an explanation.

 

[Mojo]

You have to have something occur before you look for an explanation for that event.

Evidently not if you're Kumar. I've suggested this idea to him before.

 

[Mojo]

Is anybody keeping track of everything he's used so far? Would be interesting to see if anything he's used completely negates something else he's used as an explanation.

Interesting, maybe. Surprising, no.

 

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[Kumar]

Insects do it by stickiness, other animals (eg geckos) do it by suction.

Are you implying that paint would not stick to 0% porosity glass?

Good links thanks. Except by stickness by sticking material released, can't molecules stick alike every other thing?

 

[Kumar]

Are you suggesting that homeopathy worked for Hahnamann because he was using the defective equipment available at the time, and the reason it doesn't work whenever it's tested nowadays is because modern techniques and equipment mean that the preparations are too contaminant-free?

Was there any difference in porosity of glass of that time & of today?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Dear viewers,

Two days ago, my press secretary sent news to NCH and it has now been uploaded by NCH and pasted here.

http://www.nchpakistan.com

Still the offer to win One Million is open.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Let us first agree on that, molecules can be trappen in glass porosities & can be transfered slowly in all potencies--means molecular presence in higher potencies. Is it settled now?

No. As has been pointed out, normal glass is not porous and does not retain meaningful traces of earlier content. I was merely pointing out to you that even if your premise was correct, your theory was useless.

You need to at least learn to think your theories through to their logical end.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
Still the offer to win One Million is open.

OK, Dr. MAS, I am likely to get rather direct at times: This "offer" of yours is a joke.

- It is a straw-man argument, because we do not claim that homeopathy works by supernatural means, we claim that it does not work at all.

- It is impossible, because to win, we should prove that there was an effect of homeopathy that cannot be explained, and since NOBODY can show ANY effect of homeopathy, this is an impossibility.

You are merely making a fool of yourself by promoting such folly.

Now, I have been of the impression that you are a sensible person, so I'll give you one more chance before you go on my personal ignore list here:

You claim that homeopathy is NOT paranormal. In fact you seem to claim that there is a scientific explanation and that you know this explanation.

Please present your scientific explanation, now. Any more diversions from you, and I'll conclude that you are not a serious person.

Hans

 

[Mojo]

Dear viewers,

Two days ago, my press secretary sent news to NCH and it has now been uploaded by NCH and pasted here.

http://www.nchpakistan.com

Still the offer to win One Million is open.

So the challenge is

From the website linked to by Dr. MAS
to prove "Homeopathy is paranormal in nature and scientific laws / principles cannot apply over homeopathy".

Oddly, this is exactly the same challenge I quoted earlier to which you replied:

the above post was the continuation of the first post which was posted at www.nch.ipbfree.com forum. You missed everything and cutting the apple without peeling off the skin.

So, as you have now confirmed that the challenge I quoted is in fact the correct one, I'll repeat the points I made then in the hope that you'll actually address them this time:

Dr. MAS, why would anyone on this forum (apart from the homeopaths, of couse) want to prove that "scientific laws / principles cannot apply over homeopathy?"

I, and I suspect most of the other posters in this thread, believe that the laws of science do apply to homeopathy. The claims of homeopathy are certainly outside the generally accepted laws of science. However, the laws apply whether you like it or not: that is why homeopathy doesn't work.

Because homeopathy's claims lie outside the generally accepted laws of science, the only way homeopathy could possibly work is if "scientific laws / principles cannot apply over homeopathy."

The nature of your challenge suggests that you think scientific laws do apply to homeopathy. Do you really think homeopathy doesn't work, Dr. MAS?

Let's face it: you are the one who needs to prove that scientific laws do not apply to homeopathy, not me.

 

[Ashles]

And didn't Dr. Mas claim he could explain homeopathy to us if our scientific knowledge was good enough?

Was that then not true Dr. Mas?

If homeopathy is paranormal then your claim of being able to explain homeopathy was obviously not true (and incidentally you must pay out the million rupees).

If homeopathy is not paranormal and is explicable within known science then please do so at the thread you keep ignoring.

This one

So which is it then?

 

[Zep]

Kumar:
Let us first agree on that, molecules can be trappen in glass porosities & can be transfered slowly in all potencies--means molecular presence in higher potencies. Is it settled now?

Kumar, if this is true then you are denying one of the very basics of homeopathy. What you are saying is that the homeopathic "Law of Infinitesimals" (I think that's the right name) is complete bunkum because potencies never actually get diluted. But we have been told continually that they DO have to get diluted to "work". So which is correct? The homeopathic law, or your theory?

 

[Zep]

Are you suggesting that homeopathy worked for Hahnamann because he was using the defective equipment available at the time, and the reason it doesn't work whenever it's tested nowadays is because modern techniques and equipment mean that the preparations are too contaminant-free?

Which would suggest that homeopaths today ALSO use crap equipment and poor techniques.

Wow. Talk about "good" advertising!

 

[Zep]

Dear viewers,

Two days ago, my press secretary sent news to NCH and it has now been uploaded by NCH and pasted here.

http://www.nchpakistan.com

Still the offer to win One Million is open.

And STILL no link to anywhere where we can actually apply for the challenge!

What's the matter, Dr MAS? Afraid someone might actually SUCCEED? And you will have to pay up?

If you are so darned sure, put your challenge up in public. Like JREF has done with its US$1,000,000 Paranormal Challenge.

Well???

 

[Rolfe]

The screamingly funny bit about all this, as has already been pointed out, is that we don't think homoeopathy is paranormal, and have never claimed that it is. We think it is a fraud. (And as a corollary, we point out that if it did have the effects claimed for it, it would indeed be magic, or paranormal.) But we're not claiming that, we're simply claiming that it's a fraud.

It's Dr. Mas who claims it's paranormal, implicitly, by claiming that there is an effect but being unable to provide a scientific explanation for such an effect, and explicitly, by attributing at least a part of the effect to divine intervention.

He should just pay himself the money.

Rolfe.