One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Could "Dr A Sheikh" please follow up on the outstanding issues, from SO long back in this thread!, re Avagodro's Number, etc. Do we have to dig these out again, or can everyone find them for themselves?

To me that is not outstanding issue. I agree with Dr. MAS that avagodro's number game does not apply over homeopathic dilutions in the same manner as it is stated by Bad Monkey, if you feel, you are correct in your interpretation, you may compete for winning the prize.

 

[delphi_ote]

To me that is not outstanding issue. I agree with Dr. MAS that avagodro's number game does not apply over homeopathic dilutions in the same manner as it is stated by Bad Monkey, if you feel, you are correct in your interpretation, you may compete for winning the prize.

This is like saying the gravity game doesn't apply to homeopathic solutions. As far as any reliable tests have shown for hundreds of years, Avagadro's number is a fact of life.

Could you please explain how it is possible, as you've been asked literally hundreds of times? I suggest re-reading Rolfe's, Hans', and BSM's posts in the MAS threads here, thinking about them, and then addressing the unanswered questions they posed about homeopathy (hint: none of them have been answered.)

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

This is like saying the gravity game doesn't apply to homeopathic solutions. As far as any reliable tests have shown for hundreds of years, Avagadro's number is a fact of life.

Could you please explain how it is possible, as you've been asked literally hundreds of times? I suggest re-reading Rolfe's, Hans', and BSM's posts in the MAS threads here, thinking about them, and then addressing the unanswered questions they posed about homeopathy (hint: none of them have been answered.)

I am not against avagadro's number. I have no objection over its hundred yeas of facts. In trueness of a/law, I have no arguement.

The objection is, it does not apply over homeopathic dilutions as stated by mas. Again I repeat if you strongly believe on this law and its applications on homeopathic dilutions as stated by bad monkey. You may write your claim in "thesis format" (as it is demanded by mas) to mas address and win prize. But you will pay me half prize money if you win the prize because it is me who informed you about the offer. Ok

 

[Rolfe]

The objection is, it does not apply over homeopathic dilutions as stated by mas.

WHY NOT???? You have stated this, Mas has stated this, but nowhere have any of you explained WHY NOT?

Explain what you mean, or nobody will take you seriously.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

I suggest re-reading Rolfe's, Hans', and BSM's posts in the MAS threads here, thinking about them, and then addressing the unanswered questions they posed about homeopathy (hint: none of them have been answered.)

Actually, the most telling posts are one by Donks detailing all the dilution steps to 18C, and one by H'ethetheth calculating the degree of uncertainty in those figures. Sorry I don't have the exact links to hand, but try the "four year course" thread.

These posts would win any "prize" as described by Sheikh that actually existed and was honestly administered. As in, fat chance.

Rolfe.

 

[Ashles]

To me that is not outstanding issue. I agree with Dr. MAS that avagodro's number game does not apply over homeopathic dilutions in the same manner as it is stated by Bad Monkey, if you feel, you are correct in your interpretation, you may compete for winning the prize.

Just as an aside (as you appear to prefer answering random questions than questions about homeopathy) is there anywhere we could confirm the existence of the money for the homeopathic prize challenge?

I asked this question on the NCH Pakistan forums a month or two ago and never received an answer.

So, is there any point in applying for this 'prize' money? Does it exist? Any evidence?

 

[Jeff Corey]

Listen up, you tossers, this is a real prize1

It is a real prize. Exactly as real as the guaranteed nonpoisonous cures offered by homeopath quacks.
It has been diluted and carefully shaken so many times that there no trace of any rupee, not a sou. Not a plugged nickle, nor a thin dime. Worth less than a Confederate dollar in 1870.The legendary German Mark that could not purchase toilet paper more useful than the Mark itself..

 

[flume]

I am not against avagadro's number. I have no objection over its hundred yeas of facts. In trueness of a/law, I have no arguement.
The objection is, it does not apply over homeopathic dilutions as stated by mas.

Dr. A Sheikh, can you agree that the calculations using Avogadro's number DO APPLY to remedies made with simple chemicals like Nat. Mur. and Nat. Sulph.? These chemicals are readily soluble and do not react with the solvent to form new molecules.
Several people posted examples of calculations earlier in these topics.

Here is a section from an earlier Dr. MAS post:
When a single drop from 1st potency (which was prepared according to the ratio 1/99) was taken into 2nd bottle for preparing 2nd dilution, can you confirm that the exact ratio of "starting material" in the drop was transfered in 2nd diltution?
Remember, 1st potency was prepared with the ratio 1/99 i.e one drop of starting material was taken and 99 drops of fresh pure any solvent (alcohol) was added and then it was jerked 10 times. The "lonly" drop of 1st starting material was got mixed and now you have to take one drop from the previous potency as "new starting material" for preparing 2nd potency. Clear?
Can you confirm that this new drop which was taken as new starting material contains 1/99 ratio of 1st starting material (Refer to probablity law)?
Remember, according to probality law, it is quite possible that the 2nd starting material "drop" may not contain any molecule of 1st starting material (because that drop was picked up blindly from the 1st bottle) and it may or may not contain 50% of the 1st starting material or may contain 99% of the starting material. Hence, avogadro's law can * be applied in the same manner as it was demonstrated by you (member) earlier."

*(Did he mean "CANNOT"?)

Can you agree that this Dr. MAS post would NOT apply to these simple chemical materials, since they are soluble and easily mixed?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

WHY NOT???? You have stated this, Mas has stated this, but nowhere have any of you explained WHY NOT?

Explain what you mean, or nobody will take you seriously.

Rolfe.

The reason for "WHY NOT" is secret. So that you may compete for the prize.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Just as an aside (as you appear to prefer answering random questions than questions about homeopathy) is there anywhere we could confirm the existence of the money for the homeopathic prize challenge?

I asked this question on the NCH Pakistan forums a month or two ago and never received an answer.

So, is there any point in applying for this 'prize' money? Does it exist? Any evidence?

Write mails to [email protected] , yahoo.com and gmail.com and ask for the rules.

 

[Donks]

The reason for "WHY NOT" is secret. So that you may compete for the prize.

Honestly, that's the best you can do? A kindergarten-level argument? And you claim to be a doctor? Out of which cereal box did you get your diploma?

 

[delphi_ote]

Out of which cereal box did you get your diploma?

It's a secret!

See? It works for everything. We are clearly dealing with a genius.

 

[flume]

The reason for "WHY NOT" is secret. So that you may compete for the prize.

So is there a new deadline for this prize? If there is a deadline, will any of you be able to answer these questions after the deadline is passed?

If anyone sends an entry for this challenge and the judges reject it, is there any chance they will explain in detail why they reject it? Or will it be like the posts here, dismissed with no clear explanation? It's annoying enough to post questions here and have them dismissed with one unsupported sentence. It would be really infuriating if you sent in a whole detailed essay and get the same unsubstantiated dismissal.

 

[Mojo]

I am not against avagadro's number. I have no objection over its hundred yeas of facts. In trueness of a/law, I have no arguement.

The objection is, it does not apply over homeopathic dilutions as stated by mas.

Dr. Sheikh, do you accept that (under the conditions we experience) matter is composed of atoms?

 

[Zep]

The current situation on Dr MAS's so called prize for...something that changes at the drop of a hat!

MAS:
Few Rules:

1. First send request letter at my clinic with your complete introduction and academic qualification. Your ID number is must.

2. Send your thesis endorse with three Ph.D's Doctors from three different Universities with complete postal address and national ID numbers.

3. Our prize committee comprises of Ph.D doctors will examine your thesis. If the committee recommend and approved your study, you can win one million rupees.

4. This offer is valid for one month from 1st may 2005.

5. Committee decision is final.

Registeration is free.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=23&hl=prize

Shabaz:
I have been informed that Dr. MAS has offered One Million Ruppees for that personality who will prove the paranormality phase of homeopathy. Those who wish to win the prize money can contact Dr. MAS directly through his web site www.drmas.tk He can be approached through email [email protected] For this purpose a stamp duty has been filed in the court.

The criteria is same as admissible at www.randi.org

MAS:
The rules are more or less same as JREF offers. We have given extra chances to win the prize.

Contact at my address.
Dr. MAS

MRC_Hans:
I have to correct you here, Dr. MAS: The rules for your challenge are entirely different from those of the JREF challenge.

Ashles:
As no-one has responded to my question in three weeks I am forced to assume that there is no way of proving the Million Rupees Prize actually exists.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=22&hl=prize

I think, Sheikh, you may need to revise your understanding of the "MAS Prize" - it's a totally sham piece of work, and the money has not even been shown to exist.

Unless, of course, you already knew that!

 

[steenkh]

The reason for "WHY NOT" is secret. So that you may compete for the prize.

This clinches it: "Dr." A Shikh is a teenager with little understanding of neither chemistry nor logic.

 

[MRC_Hans]

The reason for "WHY NOT" is secret. So that you may compete for the prize.

Kindergarten level argumentation. How pathetic.

My sympathies go to the hapless Pakistani citizens who have depend on people like this for health care. With the endorsement of their government .

Hans

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

So is there a new deadline for this prize? If there is a deadline, will any of you be able to answer these questions after the deadline is passed?

If anyone sends an entry for this challenge and the judges reject it, is there any chance they will explain in detail why they reject it? Or will it be like the posts here, dismissed with no clear explanation? It's annoying enough to post questions here and have them dismissed with one unsupported sentence. It would be really infuriating if you sent in a whole detailed essay and get the same unsubstantiated dismissal.

I have no contact with mas as his mobile is off. may be at hilly area signals are weak.

As a common sense, if the committee rejects your study then definitly they will write remarks to justify their decission.

To me, if they do not justify their decission then I will be with you. I will also oppose the committee if the committee does not provide comments of rejection.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Dr. Sheikh, do you accept that (under the conditions we experience) matter is composed of atoms?

good comment.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

This clinches it: "Dr." A Shikh is a teenager with little understanding of neither chemistry nor logic.

Ok then proceed for writing your thesis. you are so intelligent. What would be your object of the thesis?