One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Kumar]

I suspect this won't mean much to you, Kumar, but "water memory" is something that, if it existed at all could not be explained by modern science. So far, no one has proven the existence of "water memory" or the efficacy of homeopathy.

There can be some possibility of some differences in what was experianced as 'water carrying memory' & what it was tested'. We usually finds contradictory results on real experiances & on tests. Why?? Can't there be some mistakes/oversights on testings.

Suppose there is a possibility of molecular presence of active substances in higher potencies & if it is justified. What science will say, water carrying memory & homeopathic remedies works/can work or not?

 

[Kumar]

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Ah yes. Very good point.

Homeopathy is in fact completely understood by science.
Drinking water doesn't cure anything, and that is the result we observe.

NO, probably but mostly, mistakes in understandings. Secret can be alike 'secret of match box, mouse looks as alive...etc.'

 

[Bronze Dog]

There can be some possibility of some differences in what was experianced as 'water carrying memory' & what it was tested'. We usually finds contradictory results on real experiances & on tests. Why?? Can't there be some mistakes/oversights on testings.

Suppose there is a possibility of molecular presence of active substances in higher potencies & if it is justified. What science will say, water carrying memory & homeopathic remedies works/can work or not?

The tests are designed to filter out the placebo effect, confirmation bias, etc. It's easy for a "real experience" to fall into error because of those things, as well as many others. That's why personal anecdotes are not acceptable: You can't prevent mistakes in an unblinded, uncontrolled study of one subject.

I might not understand what you're saying for the second part, but high concentrations of certain substances have an effect because there actually is some substance in the water. Homeopathic "remedies" contain nothing, and no one has ever proven that water can retain a memory. Put simply, science says it can't happen, and in all the tests performed on homeopathy have shown that it doesn't happen.

 

[Ashles]

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NO, probably but mostly, mistakes in understandings. Secret can be alike 'secret of match box, mouse looks as alive...etc.'

Kumar there are many people here with the patience to repeatedly explain in detail why you are wrong about so many of the things that you write and appear to think.

I, however, am not one of those people.

I have watched you constantly ignore far more educated posters than yourself answer every question you have whilst explaining themselves as clearly as they can.
And you insult them by ignoring every single word.

You are a troll or an idiot, or both.
Not one word you have ever said has ever been informative about any subject.

I do not know what you get out of your constant inane exchanges but I assume it is attenion like any other troll.

I have finally lost patience with your stupidity after you trot out the water memory rubbish yet again after it has all been explained to you painstakingly many times.

 

[steenkh]

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NO, probably but mostly, mistakes in understandings. Secret can be alike 'secret of match box, mouse looks as alive...etc.'

Or you have made a mistake in understanding!

It is amazing that you do not wonder about this fact: current science can completely explain what is happening in homoeopathy (nothing is happening), and test results show that that is exactly what is happening! On the other hand the homoeopaths have theories that are not valid within current science and homoeopathic double blind test results show that the system is no good!

Why do you think that science should make so many mistakes, whereas homoeopaths who cannot even perform well in tests apparently have found something profound?

 

[Psiload]

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[Rolfe]

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You are a troll or an idiot, or both.

Please enter your vote HERE.

Kumar is so proud of the fact that by a majority the forum members have voted that he is an idiot, rather than a troll. And of course, in Kumar-world, mass.... existing.... proves that something is true.

Rolfe.

 

[Kumar]

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Kumar there are many people here with the patience to repeatedly explain in detail why you are wrong about so many of the things that you write and appear to think.

I, however, am not one of those people.

I have watched you constantly ignore far more educated posters than yourself answer every question you have whilst explaining themselves as clearly as they can.
And you insult them by ignoring every single word.

You are a troll or an idiot, or both.
Not one word you have ever said has ever been informative about any subject.

I do not know what you get out of your constant inane exchanges but I assume it is attenion like any other troll.

I have finally lost patience with your stupidity after you trot out the water memory rubbish yet again after it has all been explained to you painstakingly many times.

Since you are bit loose tempered, egoistic, with superiority complexes, sketic, pro-modern non-absolute/always changing type knowledges etc., you have right to insult, I being somewhat opposite can't do that. There can be a difference in people who prefer bitter/harsh chemical based & painful substances with many adversities, least spritual etc. AND who prefer sweat pills, least chemical based, least painful, with least adversities, sprituals etc. Bitter/harsh chemical/paingivings, non/dis believers can make tonge to taste & behave accordingly-----which one can understand dynamically---and so ignore & don't react, always.

Anyway, just for your knowledge, molecular presense in all potencies, water carrying memory as material of active substances etc. should be possible, which I have already indicated, but will not tell furthur in view of this post & your thoughts. You just have to understand it & tell here. Otherwise, you can be blamed for devoiding all here & humanity for this possibility of dynamic by most simple understanding alike mouse looks alive trick's secret.....etc

Just show me most basic tests---whether material presence of active substances in remedies/water had ever been tested chemically & practically(not on paper by Avagadro formula) & if yes, how dilutions are made & results thereof. Give me some valid links/referances to this effect.

 

[Kumar]

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Please enter your vote HERE.

Kumar is so proud of the fact that by a majority the forum members have voted that he is an idiot, rather than a troll. And of course, in Kumar-world, mass.... existing.... proves that something is true.

Rolfe.

What thing was wrong, which was mass existing...... made for really good & without added vested commercial interests, ignorances, mistake etc. in real/dynamic thinking/taking? Do you know anything like it? Tell me.

Moreover, don't assume just degrees/readings can only make you to know everything, dynamic & different. You may need something other than this, otherwiseall equally degree holders would had been equal . We have different constitutions & entitlements.

 

[Zep]

Maybe I'm slow, but I can't find the 1,000,000 Rupee offer on the website referenced. Would somebody be so kind as to point me to the correct page?

 

[FramerDave]

Cool! One million rupees! That's what, $10.00?

 

[crimresearch]

Just a little under $US23000. BTW....

No, that is a lot under...Pakistani rupees are worth much less than Indian rupees.

Currency converter puts a million PKR at about 16K USD...about the price of a used car.

 

[SezMe]

But us USAians best be circumspect about currency conversion rates given the recent performance of the good 'ol $$$$$$

 

[crimresearch]

OK then, about the price of a used Stinger missile.

 

[Ashles]

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Since you are bit loose tempered, egoistic, with superiority complexes, sketic, pro-modern non-absolute/always changing type knowledges etc., you have right to insult, I being somewhat opposite can't do that.

Look up the words 'irony' and 'hypocrite'.

Just show me most basic tests---whether material presence of active substances in remedies/water had ever been tested chemically & practically(not on paper by Avagadro formula) & if yes, how dilutions are made & results thereof. Give me some valid links/referances to this effect.

Why should I bopther? You never read what anyone links you to anyway.
The information is not very hard to find. If you haven't read it by now then that is a deliberate decision by you. Further links by me won't change anything.

Anyway if you ever become seriously ill then we'll see what healthcare you choose to resort to.

By the way - I worked in a holistic healing centre. Strangely the people who bought the homeopathic remedies came back in over and over. The ones I knew personally swore by homeopathy, yet continued to have the same ailments. Strange huh?

There can be a difference in people who prefer bitter/harsh chemical based & painful substances with many adversities, least spritual etc. AND who prefer sweat pills, least chemical based, least painful, with least adversities, sprituals etc.

Yes, when they have a serious illness the difference can be between alive people and dead people.

I used to think troll, now I think just idiot.

 

[Mojo]

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Anyway, just for your knowledge, molecular presense in all potencies, water carrying memory as material of active substances etc. should be possible,

Molecular presence of the original "active ingredient" is impossible in high "potencies" in any meaningful way (i.e. as anything more than a small possibility that even a single molecule might be present in a particular sample). And there is absolutely no evidence that water has a "memory." Try asking some water where it left its car keys and see how far you get.

... which I have already indicated, but will not tell furthur in view of this post & your thoughts.

Just "indicating" something doesn't make it true.

You just have to understand it & tell here.

What's to understand? You have consistently failed to produce any ideas about homeopathy that have even the most tenuous basis in the way the universe actually works.

Otherwise, you can be blamed for devoiding all here & humanity for this possibility of dynamic by most simple understanding alike mouse looks alive trick's secret.....etc

Are you saying that homeopathy is just a trick like the mouse trick? You could be onto something there...

Just show me most basic tests---whether material presence of active substances in remedies/water had ever been tested chemically & practically(not on paper by Avagadro formula) & if yes, how dilutions are made & results thereof. Give me some valid links/referances to this effect.

No. You are the one making claims here. Please show us the "most basic tests" that demonstrate that there is any of the "active" substance left in homeopathic remedies of above 12C or 24X. What's that? You can't find any? Oh dear...

 

[Rolfe]

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Just show me most basic tests---whether material presence of active substances in remedies/water had ever been tested chemically & practically(not on paper by Avagadro formula) & if yes, how dilutions are made & results thereof. Give me some valid links/referances to this effect.

Kumar, you seemed to be getting it a bit in the other thread, but here you are as bad as ever.

The people who are making the claims are the homoeopaths. Dr. Mas is claiming that there is material substance of the remedy present in a 30C preparation. Instead of him saying to us, have you looked to see that there is nothing there, why do you not ask him, have you looked to see if there is anything there?

That is the whole point. Paper and theory explain very clearly that we expect nothing to be there. Dr. Mas claims otherwise. Therefore it is up to him to show us that there is something present.

He can use an electron microscope, if he thinks that will help him, or any other method he likes. If he's right, and it is possible to look and prove that there is something there, why hasn't he done it?

And as you know, if he could do that he'd get the JREF million dollars.

This million rupees game is just a silly distraction to take attention away from that fact that he can't do what he claims, and so can't win the million dollars. So he says, now you prove that homoeopathy is paranormal.

Well, to do that we have to have him tell us what definition of paranormal he accepts. I've got a million rupees says he'll never give a clear definition, or a clear explanation of what sort of demonstration would be acceptable to him to win his money.

Rolfe.

 

[Tricky]

Kumar said
Anyway, just for your knowledge, molecular presense in all potencies, water carrying memory as material of active substances etc. should be possible, which I have already indicated...

The odd thing about the "memory of water" that homeopaths like to tout, is that it only remembers what they want it to. Most of the drinking water of the world is purified from unpotable water. Why don't those noxious substances leave their effect on the water?

As I recall, one of the things some of the skeptics have done is commit homeopathic suicide. They drank deadly poisons in homeopathic dilutions, and of course, they died horribly... no wait... that's not quite right. Oh yes. Here it is. There were no adverse effects.

Oh, but you say "like cures like", another homeopathic catchphrase. Well then, taking a homeopathic dose of a real medicine or vitamin should "cure" your good health, thereby harming or killing you, right?

Oh, but it doesn't work that way, they say. Well pick some theory for how it works and stick with it! You can't say sometimes water has memory and sometimes it doesn't. You can't say sometimes like cures like and sometimes it doesn't.

The real truth is that homeopaths have never been able to come up with a theory of how their craft works which hasn't been devastated by evidence.

 

[Rolfe]

The odd thing about the "memory of water" that homeopaths like to tout, is that it only remembers what they want it to. Most of the drinking water of the world is purified from unpotable water. Why don't those noxious substances leave their effect on the water?....

Yes, amen to all that.

But can they explain about the memory of sugar pills? I mean, all the remedies I've ever seen have been these little sugar pills which I'm told have been immersed in the liquid remedy and allowed to dry.

How come the sugar remembers the remedy?

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

OK, I've got the killer claim to the million rupees. This from Dr. Mas's other thread.

Dr. MAS: I only claim, we can heal patients (curable or incurable) by grace of Allah (God) and with the help of homeopathic medicines as a source.

Game. Set. Match. Tournament.

Or has God somehow stopped being paranoraml?

Rolfe.