babazaroni
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We will talk about the USS Liberty, in the USS LIberty thread you started.
Okay, I'm about ready to declare victory...
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WildCat
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I think it is obvious that the attack on the USS Liberty was intentional, and not a mistake. I also think that the official position is that it was a mistake for purely diplomatic reasons.
However, this is not similar at all to the 9/11 attacks. In the 9/11 attacks, the evidence is overwhelming that it was carried out by 19 members of al Qaeda under the direction of KSM and OBL. There is not one scrap of evidence for involvement by anyone else.
And you have no case at all about a media cover-up. There's books and web sites devoted to the USS Liberty. But as the incident was almost 40 years ago, no it will not be a topic in today's newspapers or broadcast news.
Liberty has what to do with 9/11.?1!??!?!?!
A false flag Liberty was not; The Israeli guys shot our guys; our ship was spy ship! It was shot up. You have messed up and made up junk from other not so smart CT cult members and now you have stuff from way back when I was a kid.
The news said some Israeli guys shot up our ship! Oh no, bet the news messed up all the facts. So take the facts and sort them better than you have! (still what is the 9/11 connection?)
So you come up with this junk about a spy boat! Why would stuff be all messed up about a spy boat? Why would our government be kind of fussy on the facts about a spy ship shot up by the Israelis? Could it be we pissed off Israel and they accidentally shot too close; were we pissed too; would you be pissed. Oops do you guys know it was a spy boat???? If not please remove this post and all existence of me! Bye
Find some real facts; Then; a 15 year old kid busted your post, 40 years ago! You are BUSTED; I declare victory over you 40 years ago!!!!
I was smarter than I thought.
hurdygurdy
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Reminder. 
What building was the "Israeli firm ODIGO" given "two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?
Of course you will give the source for this claim, will you?
What building was the "Israeli firm ODIGO" given "two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?
Of course you will give the source for this claim, will you?
So you are running the Forum now...It is yours, and we should do as YOU say now??
TAM
david carmichael
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Then it was an act of war...
With the news media coverup and the NCOI coverup---the American people no longer were able to make an "informed choice" at the ballot box
Well...you would be feigning ignorance that those who are responsible for investigating/preserving the evidence could quite possibly be the criminals themselves.
This is why when you DO have the government busted in a "false flag" op... it is significant--- it shows first of all, a willingness to lie...
..and secondly... a refusal to come clean.
We then go to the post-WWI Nye committees , "merchants of death" and Eisenhower's warning about the "miltary-industrial complex".
Did the destruction of the steel in the WTC occur over the objections of the firefighting community and families of the victims?
If what Bush/Blair talked about in the Downing Street Memos occurred...then they would have shown absolutely no hesitation to lie.
... a subsequent talk about painting a US plane in UN colors and sending it over Iraqi airspace in hopes it would be shot down???
..and the intellectual dishonesty in your reply is that it should have been a topic of great concern back then.
..and the Government was still telling lies as late as 5/15/2006 on this matter.
The News Media and US Government have been AND STILL ARE covering up the murders of Americans.
Therefore the foundational thesis of UK_Dave's TLA Award winning post has been annihilated.
david carmichael
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Well, I don't have a million dollars like James Randi...but point out the portion of the wheelhouse/superstructure that
is obscured by the mast...and I'll offer a free $500.
...or A. Jay Cristol states that CIA Director Helms stated in his memoirs that his opinions were not the official position of the CIA...
...another free $500 to the person who can produce that page number from Helms's book.
david carmichael
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Reminder.
What building was the "Israeli firm ODIGO" given "two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?
Of course you will give the source for this claim, will you?
Odigo was at #11 Wall Street maybe... it was not in the WTC buildings proper.
The hyperlink to the FindArticles and NewsBytes original article are no longer active.
What necessitated Greening finding it necessary to advance an intelligent thermite thesis in the first place?
Still no answers from you debunkers
david carmichael
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Absolutely not!
Why would you engage in such an "intellectually dishonest" argument?
Ahhhh... because you don't want the Government/News media collusion on the USS Liberty murders next to the WTC attacks...which annihilated the foundational thesis of UK_Dave's TLA Award-winning post
You were the ones crowing with laughter as R. mackey was declaring victory... speak, debunkers--- speak!
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What was it that necessitated Greening advancing an "intelligent thermite" thesis in the first place?
speak, debunker TAM---- speak!!!
Actually, Odigo was at 11 Broadway. (Source + source.)
On this map (courtesy of Google maps), the green arrow indicates 11 Broadway.
Now, your claim was:
Given that the warning was received at Odigo's Israeli office, that the warning was not specific (it didn't specify that the terrorist attack would be in New York), that Odigo's New York office was in no danger, how on earth can you claim that "Odigo received a two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?
Doesn't make any sense at all, does it?
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1. I do not debate in an argument unless I feel I have either (i) good sources to back me up (I am sure there are, but I have not researched them personally), or (ii) I am an expert in said field of concern. In this case neither is true, so for the argument you speak, I am merely an observer. I wish to learn from the debate, and hence, would like to keep the debate on topic (the reason for my request, in addition to my other reason, that being that it is common courtesy to try to keep posts on a topic limited to the thread set up for daid topic).
2. If I wanted to engage you in a debate about the USS Liberty, I would have done so in that thread. Personally I really do not care for the topic. You can throw it, and Northwoods into my face all day, it does not make 9/11 an inside job...
3. Like most CTers of late, you have so little in the way of proof or evidence for almost every claim you make wrt MIHOP arguments, that you now reach further and further out for connections to the conspiracy...USS Liberty, The Pakistani Connection. Where next, the North Korean Connection perhaps?
TAM
2. If I wanted to engage you in a debate about the USS Liberty, I would have done so in that thread. Personally I really do not care for the topic. You can throw it, and Northwoods into my face all day, it does not make 9/11 an inside job...
3. Like most CTers of late, you have so little in the way of proof or evidence for almost every claim you make wrt MIHOP arguments, that you now reach further and further out for connections to the conspiracy...USS Liberty, The Pakistani Connection. Where next, the North Korean Connection perhaps?
TAM
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Thermite that is able to think and feel on its own of course...lol
TAM
Intelligent thermite 1: "Can I start cutting the beam now?"
Intelligent thermite 2: "No, wait until AFTER the plane hit. Jeezzz, how often do I have to tell you this? You're nog very bright, are you?"
Intelligent thermite 2: I'm sorry...come on, lets cuddle.
TAM
That would be "Sensitive Thermite"
The word "warning" appears to be inappropriate, too, as Odigo officials later said that it wasn't specific, or regarded as important until after the attacks, and may well have been a coincidence.Given that the warning was received at Odigo's Israeli office, that the warning was not specific (it didn't specify that the terrorist attack would be in New York), that Odigo's New York office was in no danger, how on earth can you claim that "Odigo received a two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?
Doesn't make any sense at all, does it?
We may finally be about to get somewhere with this story, though. I (at 911myths.com) sent an FOIA application to the FBI for Odigo-related documents in October 2005; they said they didn't have any a couple of months later; and I appealed immediately afterwards. I finally heard that my appeal had been turned down last month, but the Justice Department did say they believed two FBI field offices had "records responsive to my request". I sent in FOIA applications to both of them last week. It could be this is a false dawn, they'll turn me down, I'll appeal, then have to wait another year... But as the DoJ tipped me off that seems unlikely. So maybe, just maybe, in a couple of months we'll finally understand what the Odigo message was all about.
Thanks to Dogtown for pointing this out. I hadn't seen this polling question, or if I had, I had forgotten it. The truthers are always pulling polls out of the sky, so I though these two questions from a July 2006 SH Poll, were cool...
Or this one
Yes, this surely shows, as the CTers say, that the majority of the USA is waking up to the "inside job" theory...lol
TAM
Or this one
Yes, this surely shows, as the CTers say, that the majority of the USA is waking up to the "inside job" theory...lol
TAM
Horatius
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From his other thread:
ETA: It seems like that link doesn't want to work today. Sorry!
It's a mocking version of something Dr. Greening mentions. Typical strawman thing.
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