Okay, I'm about ready to declare victory...

[westprog]

So why, when victory is so obvious, will it make little difference?

The answer is that it is not a matter of evaluating evidence, sifting facts and arriving at a likely conclusion. The CT guys are not people with a different viewpoint or opinion. They have a different way of thinking. They trust their intuition about such things as falling buildings far more than they trust what somebody tells them. They want it to be impossible that arabs with boxcutters can take over an aircraft, so it is impossible.

What appears to be a rational argument never is. It may seem that they are presenting evidence, but in their eyes it is something quite different. The evidence is wholly subservient to the theory. Evidence that doesn't fit the theory is bad evidence.

The victory has been obvious from day one. Rational argument will never convince them. Is there a way to do it?

 

[david carmichael]

So why, when victory is so obvious, will it make little difference?

The answer is that it is not a matter of evaluating evidence, sifting facts and arriving at a likely conclusion. The CT guys are not people with a different viewpoint or opinion. They have a different way of thinking. They trust their intuition about such things as falling buildings far more than they trust what somebody tells them. They want it to be impossible that arabs with boxcutters can take over an aircraft, so it is impossible.

What appears to be a rational argument never is. It may seem that they are presenting evidence, but in their eyes it is something quite different. The evidence is wholly subservient to the theory. Evidence that doesn't fit the theory is bad evidence.

The victory has been obvious from day one. Rational argument will never convince them. Is there a way to do it?

Oh, no...old chum....

"intellectual dishonesty"... the CTs like me are saying, "why was the evidence seized and destroyed?"

No..we want the evidence...the evidence the government will not release...

...just as they seized the USS Liberty evidence... CRITTCOM transcripts...photographic evidence from crewmembers

 

[Bell]

Oh, no...old chum....

"intellectual dishonesty"... the CTs like me are saying, "why was the evidence seized and destroyed?"

No..we want the evidence...the evidence the government will not release...

...just as they seized the USS Liberty evidence... CRITTCOM transcripts...photographic evidence from crewmembers

Which evidence is that exactly and why do you want it?

 

[david carmichael]

Unless the camera was mounted on a fast moving, vibrating paltform, that blurred the mast, making it "translucent" in that image.



....what??? From those who claim to debunk the 9/11 conspiracy theories ...WE GET THAT EXPLANATION from one of you OCTs?????

By extending your thesis, why are any of the smaller details showing without any difficulty?

Why did Israel blur the photo?

What photographic technique would be more enhanced that would justify them showing it with the contrast setting turned up to "high maximum"?.... None!

They wanted to make those appear like photographic negatives


LOL!

BwaaaHAaaaaaaa! LOL! ROTFLMAO.... that mast was huge...and the missing deckhouse was even bigger?


In no way shape or form, would the wheelhouse fail to be obscured....

Again...look at the HUGE area that would be obscure by the deckhouse!!!

ROTFLMAO...you are a great "debunkerrrrr"!

''''ahmmmmm' gettin' ready t'declare victoryyyyyy!!!"



...and you never answered to the second photo either.... is that a tugboat-shaped sea serpent?

The crew was standing at the fore of the boat during a strafing run????

Bwaaaahaaaa! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!




Okay...back to the "intelligent thermite" of the 9/11 WTC attack.


What necessitated the advancement of the "intelligent thermite" thesis in the first place???

 

[uk_dave]

What necessitated the advancement of the "intelligent thermite" thesis in the first place???

I didn't know there was one.

Sure you don't mean "Intelligent Termites" ?

 

[david carmichael]

Which evidence is that exactly and why do you want it?

Well, with...
1)Our government lying about the murder of the crew of 34 American soldiers aboard the USS Liberty

and

2)the "Operation:Northwoods" documents stating the Joint Chiefs of Staff UNANIMOUSLY signed off on the idea of terror attacks against US cities in a "false flag" ops

and

3)with the Israeli firm ODIGO receiving two hours advanced notice to evacuate

and with

4)Israeli firm, Zim Navigational moving out of WTC #5 ...

...not a year bfore the attack...

...not a month before the attack

..but the SAME WEEK as the attack


and with

5)the dancing Israeli MOSSAD agents, one of whom stood in front of the camera with a cigarette lighter flicked as the WTC was burning in the background....


and with Israel's history of "false flag" ops against US and British interests(Lavon Affair, King David Hotel bombing)

...and with

6) the NYPD bomb-sniffing dogs setting to barking when they sniffed the MOSSAD agents White Van

...and with these guys in jail for 70+ days

and with

7) $5 million in unclaimed "put" calls existing

and with

8) the US News Media covering up an easily bustable lie like the USS Liberty



I'd wonder why the WTC steel was sold overseas for scrap instead of being tested publicly for explosive residue or ...ahem.... "intelligennnnnnnnt thernite"

We could start off with that NIST meteorite and then see what other evidence the families of the firefighters would want seized.

i'd also want to see the transcribed testimony of that maintenance man before the 9/11 commission....

Lloyd Painter's testimony about Israelis firing upon lowered life rafts was excluded from the USS Liberty NCOI transcripts....


...and that "maintenance man's" testimony was not included either.


Did Israel TWICE doctor photographic evidence in the USS Liberty attack, old chum???

 

[Arus808]

wow, in one post all ct theories that have been debunked. Same tired stories that have been proven false.

Can you at least try a new theory that we haven't heard before. We already have a star wars beam weapon theory, so you need to try somehting more outlandish than that.

 

[david carmichael]

I didn't know there was one.

Yes...R. Mackey addressed the issue in his first reply to my first post

Sure you don't mean "Intelligent Termites" ?

I just saw your TLA award-winning post.



You stated the news media, democrats and republicans, entertainment media would ALL have had to be in on the 9/11 coverup.

....and found it the basis for a humorous post ridiculing the WTC CTers...


Okay...your thesis is that like Watergate... if it was TRULY an "inside job"...

....the opposing political party AND the news media WOULD HAVE exposed the republicans...



But now you've seen the USS Liberty was "murder" and was covered up by...
1) US/UK/DOC News Media
2) Entetainment Media
3) Democrats
4) Republicans

The USS Liberty "accidental attack" theory STUNK right from the get-go...

...when one even begins to scratch the surface of the story...does it TEND TO support the "mistaken identity" thesis....

...or does it even get stinkier and stinkier?

The doctored photos

The doctored IDF Ground Controller transcripts

The fantasy "30mm cannon shell with proximity fusing" munition...
...for which no military necessity existed
...and whose existence in 1967 was a "technological impossibility"


The thesis/motif behind the ridicule in your TLA winning post...on a forum of DEBUNKERZZZZZ...has just been annihilated by me...

...and those TWO doctored photos..

Correct?


The US News Media, Entertainment Media, Democrats, Republicans all covered up the murder of 34 American soldiers.


Speak, debunker! speak!!

 

[david carmichael]

wow, in one post all ct theories that have been debunked. Same tired stories that have been proven false.

Can you at least try a new theory that we haven't heard before. We already have a star wars beam weapon theory, so you need to try somehting more outlandish than that.

Okay... I see the Sherlock Holmes quote.

Those 2 USS Liberty photos...were they BOTH doctored by the Government of Israel?

 

[Arus808]

again, we're not your dogs that will bark when you command. When you come up with something new that hasn't been debunked over a 100 times here on this board, then we will , if we want to, debunk that as well.

other than, you're still spouting tired old theories that have been put through the test here before , and found that there was nothing substantiative about them.

So, try something new.

 

[Firestone]

Reading this, I understand why R.Mackey was ready to declare victory.

I do have a question about this claim, however.

3)with the Israeli firm ODIGO receiving two hours advanced notice to evacuate

What building was the "Israeli firm ODIGO" given "two hours advanced notice to evacuate"?

Of course you will give the source for this claim, will you?

 

[uk_dave]

The US News Media, Entertainment Media, Democrats, Republicans all covered up the murder of 34 American soldiers.

Speak, debunker! speak!!

So we have two options:

1. Everyone in the world involved in politics, news media and entertainment media, regardless of their stated political position or their apparent track record for exposing govt misdeeds, is in on it, for some unexplained reason (though I suspect reptoids may have something to do with it)

or

2. Your 'evidence' is so weak that no one in the world involved in politics, news media and entertainment media, regardless of their stated political position or their apparent track record for exposing govt misdeeds, believes it is worth investigating.

hmmmmmmm the agony of choice......

 

[Gravy]

Well, with...
1)Our government lying about the murder of the crew of 34 American soldiers aboard the USS Liberty

How many threads are you going to spam with this nonsense?

2)the "Operation:Northwoods" documents stating the Joint Chiefs of Staff UNANIMOUSLY signed off on the idea of terror attacks against US cities in a "false flag" ops

The Northwoods idea was summarily squashed by the civilian officials. It did not call for anyone to be killed.

3)with the Israeli firm ODIGO receiving two hours advanced notice to evacuate

False. Odigo "Vice President of Sales and Marketing... Alex Diamandis today in a telephone interview also said the warning message did not identify the World Trade Center as the attack target."
http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

See more at 911myths.com

4)Israeli firm, Zim Navigational moving out of WTC #5 ...

...not a year bfore the attack...

...not a month before the attack

..but the SAME WEEK as the attack

False. They occupied one part of the 17th floor of tower 1, and moved to new headquarters in Newport News, Virginia a couple of weeks before the attacks.

5)the dancing Israeli MOSSAD agents, one of whom stood in front of the camera with a cigarette lighter flicked as the WTC was burning in the background....

There is no evidence that these men were Mossad agents.

6) the NYPD bomb-sniffing dogs setting to barking when they sniffed the MOSSAD agents White Van

What Mossad agents?

...and with these guys in jail for 70+ days

Yep. They were investigated. No evidence of intelligence activity or connection to the attacks was found.

7) $5 million in unclaimed "put" calls existing

False.

8) the US News Media covering up an easily bustable lie like the USS Liberty

Spam nonsense.

I'd wonder why the WTC steel was sold overseas for scrap instead of being tested publicly for explosive residue or ...ahem.... "intelligennnnnnnnt thernite"

Even had all the steel been kept, it wouldn't have been tested for thermite, because there was zero reason to believe any such thing was used.

i'd also want to see the transcribed testimony of that maintenance man before the 9/11 commission....

His account is consistent with the other accounts of events in the north tower. It's simply his interpretation that differs from other people's.

Lloyd Painter's testimony about Israelis firing upon lowered life rafts was excluded from the USS Liberty NCOI transcripts....

What's the USS Liberty?

...and that "maintenance man's" testimony was not included either.

Gee, you didn't mention that. Oh, yes you did. Two sentences ago. Are you not feeling well, David?

Did Israel TWICE doctor photographic evidence in the USS Liberty attack, old chum???

Please explain more about this Liberty thing. You mean that big statue in the harbor, right?

 

[david carmichael]

again, we're not your dogs that will bark when you command. When you come up with something new that hasn't been debunked over a 100 times here on this board, then we will , if we want to, debunk that as well.

other than, you're still spouting tired old theories that have been put through the test here before , and found that there was nothing substantiative about them.

So, try something new.

so are the 2 photos doctored?

 

[Gravy]

so are the 2 photos doctored?

No, you're just a garden-variety crackpot. Why can't we get some exotic crackpots around here? I wonder what Nico Haupt is doing today. I would like him to write a weekly column here.

 

[T.A.M.]

please keep your comments on teh USS Liberty Conspiracy to the thread made for it. Spamming and clogging the forums with the same arguments and topics is considered poor form.

TAM

 

[david carmichael]

please keep your comments on teh USS Liberty Conspiracy to the thread made for it. Spamming and clogging the forums with the same arguments and topics is considered poor form.

TAM

This is your forum... you make the rules; I follow them

The TAL award-winning post ridicules the CTers specifically due to the motif that

1)The News Media
2)Democrats &
3)Republicans

...would all join in on a coverup....


My USS Liberty postings annihilate that thesis.


If you as a MOD want to establish that the USS Liberty was indeed MURDER and COVERED UP by
1)the news media
2)the democrats &
3) the republicans

...and that it was an easily-bustable lie


Then certainly...we can move on to the WTC attack.

I'd appreciate MORE guidance configured against the TLA Award winner

 

[WildCat]

This is your forum... you make the rules; I follow them

The TAL award-winning post ridicules the CTers specifically due to the motif that

1)The News Media
2)Democrats &
3)Republicans

...would all join in on a coverup....


My USS Liberty postings annihilate that thesis.

Explain again how the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was covered up? Because everyone seems to know about it...

If you as a MOD

T.A.M is not a mod.

 

[T.A.M.]

This is your forum... you make the rules; I follow them

The TAL award-winning post ridicules the CTers specifically due to the motif that

1)The News Media
2)Democrats &
3)Republicans

...would all join in on a coverup....


My USS Liberty postings annihilate that thesis.


If you as a MOD want to establish that the USS Liberty was indeed MURDER and COVERED UP by
1)the news media
2)the democrats &
3) the republicans

...and that it was an easily-bustable lie


Then certainly...we can move on to the WTC attack.

I'd appreciate MORE guidance configured against the TLA Award winner

I am not a mod, just a Forum member making a request (you notice the please). Personally your attitude is juvenile and typical of teh CTers who come here, which is why everyone is finding your comments so droll and boring. On a personal note, I am ASKING you to please keep your sarcasm to yourself, or atleast do not direct it at me PLEASE!!

I am not a mod.

TAM

 

[david carmichael]

Zim moved out the week of the attack.

September 6, 2001

htt p://ww w.bible-light. c om/JPM/2001-10. h tm