Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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ANTPogo said:
Oh, God, looks like Orly's coming to my town.
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Get some official looking uniform, meet her at the airport, and explain that before you can let her out of the airport, you need to verify her Long Form Birth Certificate.

ETA: When she tells you that she doesn't have one (not being born in the US herself), threate, to deport her back to her home country.

Bring a camera crew. It should make for interesting theater.
 
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Alferd_Packer said:
My wife used to work as a unit secretary for the labor&delivery floor at a hospital back in the 90's, before they computerized the process. She said that it was always a hassle getting all the information and signatures on the forms. Doctors would go off shift, fathers would go home, etc. sometimes the forms didn't get mailed out until a week or so after the birth.
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When I worked at a hospital there was a huge commotion when a religious fanatic got really upset that his new daughter recieved a birth certificate that had a number on it ending in 666
 
From the Duncan Sunahara lawsuit:
4. Defendants John Does 1-10 and Jane Does 1-10, are believed by Plaintiff to have been at all times mentioned herein, residents of the City and County of Honolulu, State of Hawaii. Defendants Doe Corporations 1-10, Doe Partnerships 1-10, and Doe Governmental Entities 1-10, are believed by Plaintiff to have been at all times mentioned herein, corporations, partnerships or legal entities, duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of Hawaii, doing business in the City and County of Honolulu, or are governmental agencies of the State of Hawaii.
5.Defendants John Does 1-10, Jane Does 1-10, Doe Corporations 1-10, Doe Partnerships 1-10, and Doe Governmental Entities 1-10, are named herein under fictitious names, for the reason that their true names, identities, and specific acts or omissions, are presently unknown to the Plaintiff, except that they were the agents, servants, masters, employees, employers, representatives, co-venturers, associates, vendors, suppliers, manufacturers, subcontractors or contractors of the named Defendants, and who are in some manner, responsible for the injuries or damages to the Plaintiff, whether in contract or in tort, and are jointly and severally liable to the Plaintiff. Plaintiff prays for leave to insert the true names, capacities, activities or responsibilities of the unnamed Defendants when they are ascertained.
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The woo is strong in this one.
 
ANTPogo said:
Don't worry, Birthers have a way around that too: Obama can't be a "natural born citizen" because his parents weren't properly married.
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From the linked article:
That would make the president illegitimate,” she declared. “In 1787, illegitimate children had different rights. There is no way the founders of this great nation intended for an illegitimate child of a foreign bigamist to attain the highest, most powerful position in the new land.
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I'm pretty sure that Alexander Hamilton would count as a "founding father". He was never President, but he was Secretary of the Treasury under Washington. He was illegitimate. It's truly amazing what kind of crap ignorant people can come up with.
 
CORed said:
I'm pretty sure that Alexander Hamilton would count as a "founding father". He was never President, but he was Secretary of the Treasury under Washington. He was illegitimate. It's truly amazing what kind of crap ignorant people can come up with.
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Maybe they just misunderstood why they wouldn't let "That Bastard Hamilton!" be president :D
 
So Orly's been given a slap to the face. Her next hearing in Hawaii has been scheduled for the same date as her GA hearing.

It's been on the court calender for a week or so, but apparently she only found out about it at todays hearing - which by the way didn't exactly end in roses either, with the judge hinting at the defense that she might be in favour of sanctions. Orly appeared somewhat shellshocked when she heard the date, and the local Fogblower didn't think that appearance was staged.

Edit: Blast, wrong state and wrong suit. I was replying to the story about Orly coming to AL, but it's the GA hearing which is on the 26th. I suppose that's what I get for trying to keep up with Circus OrlyLaw.
 
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KDLarsen said:
Edit: Blast, wrong state and wrong suit. I was replying to the story about Orly coming to AL, but it's the GA hearing which is on the 26th. I suppose that's what I get for trying to keep up with Circus OrlyLaw.
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It is difficult keeping track sometimes. There is just so much wrong all over the place. :)
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
So she'll have to pick one? Ahahahahahaah. Wonder which one she'll pick!
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She'll probably go for the trip to GA. The Hawaii case is dead in the water and I have a feeling that the judges patience with Orly is fast approaching nil, meaning another round could lead to sanctions. Hell, just the antics she pulled, should be enough for someone, somewhere to seriously start questioning how she passed the bar exam. At one point she started bleeping about how a judgement going against her, would mean that the rest of the USA would have to doubt the Full Faith and CreditWP of anything coming from the state Hawaii :boggled:

Compared to that, the GA hearing is one of the few places where she has actually had something go her way, with the Defense's Motion to Dismiss being rejected. Add in some local press and it's got the major pull on Orly.
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
Wouldn't not appearing in Hawaii trigger sanctions?
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Depends, it seems a bit up in the air whether it will require her presence or if it's something that can be dealt with on paper. At least that's what the Judge seemed to imply.

I'll quote the relevant section of the summary from the Fogbow:
Judge Nishimura then denied the motion, ordered the State to prepare the order, and immediately started to leave. Ms. Nagamine cautiously asked the Judge if that meant that the January 26th hearing would be vacated given that the case is dismissed. Judge Nishimura said, "let's see what your order says" and left.
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The full summary is at: http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6342&start=2675#p325227
 
KDLarsen said:
Depends, it seems a bit up in the air whether it will require her presence or if it's something that can be dealt with on paper. At least that's what the Judge seemed to imply.
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We are talking about Orly here. There is plenty of evidence in this thread that 'can be dealt with on paper' means 'will not in any way be dealt with on paper because Orly is a friggin' idiot that deserves to be disbarred for sheer incompetence'
 
cwalner said:
We are talking about Orly here. There is plenty of evidence in this thread that 'can be dealt with on paper' means 'will not in any way be dealt with on paper because Orly is a friggin' idiot that deserves to be disbarred for sheer incompetence'
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True that.

Edit: And just to hammer home the point, we have Taitz v Nishimura (Hawaii Supreme Court) (Nishimura being the judge presiding over the Hawaii case)
 
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Hans said:
When I worked at a hospital there was a huge commotion when a religious fanatic got really upset that his new daughter recieved a birth certificate that had a number on it ending in 666
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Let's hope he never has to phone a police station in Ireland..........
 
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