Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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ANTPogo said:
Obama is really the child of Frank Marshall Davis and an unnamed Christian Lebanese woman.
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I ran across another CT loon who claimed Obama's father was actually Malcolm X. What is their obsession with his birth? :confused:
 
Robrob said:
I ran across another CT loon who claimed Obama's father was actually Malcolm X. What is their obsession with his birth? :confused:
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They're desperate to show his presidency is invalid and therefore illegal, if he's not a "U.S. Citizen" then he can't be prez.
Really it's because he's a democrat, or black, or both.

To quote Blazing Saddles:

"What did you expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons. "
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drewid said:
They're desperate to show his presidency is invalid and therefore illegal, if he's not a "U.S. Citizen" then he can't be prez.
Really it's because he's a democrat, or black, or both.

To quote Blazing Saddles:
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Even worse, it makes no sense as malcom x was born in the US , giving him the 2 nat citz the de vattles scream about. It is up there with space lasers dustifying the wtc when you look at the overall picture.

Also, one of my favorite quotes from a classic movie, quodos
 
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yeah, as if a marriage determines natural born status. So what about single mothers? all their children are aliens?
 
akama1 said:
Even worse, it makes no sense as malcom x was born in the US , giving him the 2 nat citz the de vattles scream about. It is up there with space lasers dustifying the wtc when you look at the overall picture.

Also, one of my favorite quotes from a classic movie, quodos
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They're basically taking every boogie-man possible and throwing it against the Obama wall to see if it sticks.
 
Alareth said:
If the birthers continue at this rate, no one on the planet will be qualified to be a citizen including themselves
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Well, to be fair, about 96% of the world's population isn't qualified to be US citizens :D
 
Looks like Dean Haskins' cat has been let out of the bag, with Sunahara v. Hawaii Department of Health having shown up on the docket.

Apparently it's the brother of Virginia Sunahara, whose BC the birthers are convinced provides the "background" for Obamas "fake BC", who has filed a lawsuit for his sisters LFBC.

Only goes to show that nope, there is no level low enough that a birther won't stoop to it.
 
meanwhile, the birthers are busy in New hampshire, Georgia and Alabama trying to get the President off the ballot.

Orly Taitz is crowing that she is representing Hendershot in the Alabama case. I don't know how she can do that as she is not a member of the AL Bar.

furthermore, Orly is about to get her butt handed to her in Hawaii.

After her usual MO of filing multple, redundant and frivolous motions, the state has asked the judge to dismiss her suit with sanctions and legal fees assessed against her.

I only wish it were possible for her case to be dismised with extreme predjudice.
 
I have to thank everyone who has contributed to this (and similar) thread, because I was able to grab handy information to smack down a couple of birthers on FB. They even tried to switch gears to the Indonesian adoption angle and got slapped again.
 
KDLarsen said:
Only goes to show that nope, there is no level low enough that a birther won't stoop to it.
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and we can blame Orly on that, as she was the first to bring it up; trying to cast doubt on Obama's COLB by stating that Obama stole Virginia's Certificate Number for his own.


Yeah, that low and disgusting.


The issue is that Duncan Sunahara asked the DOH to get a COLB for Virginia, the DOH replied by giving Duncan the normal COLB that everyone in Hawaii gets. The same one that Obama displayed in August of 2008.

But, the issue they are raising is that the COLB Certificate Number doesn't make sense (without KNOWING how or when the numbers are issued during 1961 DOH an the policy at the time).

Dr. Conspiracy at Obamaconspiracy.org has many articles and speculation on the numbering system for birth certificates in Hawaii at the time, and further research backs up his findings: That a batch of certificates sent to the DOH are ordered Alphabetical first then certificates are then numbered.

We can see evidence of this in COLB's that have been found for the dates around Obama's birth:

Ah’Nee – 09945 – August 23rd
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – August 5th
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – August 5th
Obama, Barack – 10641 – August 4th
Sunahara, Virginia– xxxxx – August 4th (????)
Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – August 5th



and what happens if they do get their hands on a copy for VS's Long form and it supports that Viriginia's Certificate number is after Obama's, what then?


ETA: also we have to take into consideration that Virginia's Certificate number may have a number that may be unusual or much higher than those born, since she died a few hours after being born.
 
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Disbelief said:
I have to thank everyone who has contributed to this (and similar) thread, because I was able to grab handy information to smack down a couple of birthers on FB. They even tried to switch gears to the Indonesian adoption angle and got slapped again.
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CT 101: when evidence for your preconceived notion is disproved, invent more evidence. When all the evidence for your preconceived notion is disproved, invent a new notion promoting the same agenda.

For whatever reason, they "know" Obama isn't really the President. The way they explain that knowledge doesn't matter to them. Foreign born, born of only one US parent, born of a US parent not old enough to confer citizenship, born of Malcolm X (still don't get that one), adopted by foreigner, etc...

The path may alter but the end destination remains the same.
 
Update:

Deano Haskins of Birtherfailurepalooza 2 has an interview with Duncan Sunahara

http://www.birthersummit.org/news/73-was-baby-virginia-sunaharas-identity-stolen.html


So we now have:
Ah’Nee – 09945 – August 23rd
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – August 5th
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – August 5th
Obama, Barack – 10641 – August 4th
Sunahara, Virginia -11080- August 4, 1961
Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – August 5th



So its higher than Obama's (following the alpha then numbered routine) but lower than Waidelich, who was born the day after Obama (and Sunahara). But, keep in mind that Virginia died fa few days after she was born, so the Hospital could have placed it in a delay before sending it to the Hawaii Department of Health or were sending in the birth and death records to be processed at the same time. She was also born at Wahiawa General Hospital, not Kapiolani.


now that we know that Obama's COLB doesn't have Virginia's Certificate Number, what's the point to all of this? To now claim that Virginia's COLB number has also been forged (thereby accusing Hawaii DOH again of committing a crime). It also proves yet another claim of theirs, goes in the black hole of more debunked birther theories.

Here's a good comment on Deano's hysterical yet non-surprising find:

http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=7073&start=50#p324484


Here's the full complaint:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/77278114/Sunahara-v-DoH-Complaint


summary: "I am Virginia's brother and I have every right to see and get her original records...."
 
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My wife used to work as a unit secretary for the labor&delivery floor at a hospital back in the 90's, before they computerized the process. She said that it was always a hassle getting all the information and signatures on the forms. Doctors would go off shift, fathers would go home, etc. sometimes the forms didn't get mailed out until a week or so after the birth.
 
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