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And even worse, that person decided to start a false rumor because that hypothetical seemed to be so marketable.
Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion
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And even worse, that person decided to start a false rumor because that hypothetical seemed to be so marketable.
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The latest in the birther saga: Joe Farah of WND is suing esquire magazine for it’s satirical article making fun of Farah and Jerome Corsi’s book on the birth certificate.
They are reportedly suing for $285 million dollars based on the presumption that the book was not a waste of time, because they claim that the birth certificate released by the president is a forgery.
It would appear that WND is adopting an Orly Taitz legal strategy, file a pointless lawsuit in the hopes of bringing in and somehow validating irrelevant “evidence” of dubious provenance.
It didn’t work for Orly and it won’t work for WND.
They are reportedly suing for $285 million dollars based on the presumption that the book was not a waste of time, because they claim that the birth certificate released by the president is a forgery.
It would appear that WND is adopting an Orly Taitz legal strategy, file a pointless lawsuit in the hopes of bringing in and somehow validating irrelevant “evidence” of dubious provenance.
It didn’t work for Orly and it won’t work for WND.
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I can't help but wonder if Orly has confused reality with Scooby Doo.
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Link?
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I can only hope their legal fees bankrupt them.
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Scooby-doo is actually pretty skeptical, in it's simple formulaic way, because the ghost, UFO, or whatever, always turns out to be fakery by the bad guys.
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http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovi...-sue-esquire-over-parody-seeking-120-million/
one of the "facts" alleged in the complaint:
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Alferd_Packer
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One of the claims:
This is Jerome Corsi and Joe Farah we are talking about.
This is Jerome Corsi and Joe Farah we are talking about.
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Dumb and Dumber...
Sabrina
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Also in other birther news:
Former LTC Terry Lakin has been released from Ft. Leavenworth's prison after serving five months of a six month sentence (this was back in May, by the way) and is now submitting an appeal to receive a portion of the benefits he WOULD have received had he made it to twenty years and retired.
The comments have the typical woo persons claiming that he was right all along, but the vast majority appear to be coming down on the side of reason and saying that, since he has not served the full twenty (and will not, despite remaining on active duty during the appeals process; his time in service has been frozen and he is drawing no pay despite being on AD), he should get no benefits at all.
There is at least one commenter who appears to be fairly well versed in the UCMJ and has offered his opinions on what will likely happen; goes by the name of MAJ D IIRC. He's been saying that 15% or less of appeals actually get heard after going through a process to determine if they have legal standing, and of those 15% that are actually heard, less than 15% get approved, so I'd put Lakin's chances at somewhere between zero and nil.
Former LTC Terry Lakin has been released from Ft. Leavenworth's prison after serving five months of a six month sentence (this was back in May, by the way) and is now submitting an appeal to receive a portion of the benefits he WOULD have received had he made it to twenty years and retired.
The comments have the typical woo persons claiming that he was right all along, but the vast majority appear to be coming down on the side of reason and saying that, since he has not served the full twenty (and will not, despite remaining on active duty during the appeals process; his time in service has been frozen and he is drawing no pay despite being on AD), he should get no benefits at all.
There is at least one commenter who appears to be fairly well versed in the UCMJ and has offered his opinions on what will likely happen; goes by the name of MAJ D IIRC. He's been saying that 15% or less of appeals actually get heard after going through a process to determine if they have legal standing, and of those 15% that are actually heard, less than 15% get approved, so I'd put Lakin's chances at somewhere between zero and nil.
To my knowledge, all of them. Heck, even while the appeals process is going on, he is commisioned without pay.
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Yes, as of now he has lost all his benefits. He is on active duty but is not being paid. His sentence was for six months in prison, loss of all pay and benefits, and dismissal from the Army (that's like a BCD, except they don't give those to officers; we get "dismissed" instead). According to the article, he is currently petitioning via the appeals process to get some of his benefits back, although he has acknowledged that his appeal probably won't get past the initial process. According to the article:
My guess is this this is somewhat like the April Gallop lawsuit in that the lawyer is the one attempting to get information that has already been deemed inadmissable in court into a brief, or something similar. Lakin has already admitted he was wrong to do what he did, back before he was sentenced.
The thing I find somewhat untenable in all of this is that his license to practice medicine has not been suspended or revoked. He is required to report that he was dismissed from service to the board, but he can still legally practice medicine. I suppose his politics don't prevent him from being a decent doctor, but I can't help but want the man to actually suffer the kind of difficulty in finding a job that a soldier given a BCD would after their discharge. It just doesn't seem fair to me that officers get it easier than soldiers do.
Lakin also has a new cause, apparently; the article indicates that he wants to try and review the cases of several soldiers who are currently serving sentences in Leavenworth, because he feels they may have been wrongfully imprisoned. Judging from my own experience with the military legal system, I think the likelihood of that is much less than it would be in the civilian legal system, but I admit, IANAML (I am not a military lawyer). My personal take on it is that Lakin merely wants to stay in the limelight (I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a book deal coming his way) and is seeking to use the other soldiers to do that, which I find to be reprehensible. However, if he does manage to find someone in Leavenworth who was wrongfully imprisoned, I for one will be grateful to the man; no one should ever be imprisoned wrongfully.
My guess is this this is somewhat like the April Gallop lawsuit in that the lawyer is the one attempting to get information that has already been deemed inadmissable in court into a brief, or something similar. Lakin has already admitted he was wrong to do what he did, back before he was sentenced.
The thing I find somewhat untenable in all of this is that his license to practice medicine has not been suspended or revoked. He is required to report that he was dismissed from service to the board, but he can still legally practice medicine. I suppose his politics don't prevent him from being a decent doctor, but I can't help but want the man to actually suffer the kind of difficulty in finding a job that a soldier given a BCD would after their discharge. It just doesn't seem fair to me that officers get it easier than soldiers do.
Lakin also has a new cause, apparently; the article indicates that he wants to try and review the cases of several soldiers who are currently serving sentences in Leavenworth, because he feels they may have been wrongfully imprisoned. Judging from my own experience with the military legal system, I think the likelihood of that is much less than it would be in the civilian legal system, but I admit, IANAML (I am not a military lawyer). My personal take on it is that Lakin merely wants to stay in the limelight (I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a book deal coming his way) and is seeking to use the other soldiers to do that, which I find to be reprehensible. However, if he does manage to find someone in Leavenworth who was wrongfully imprisoned, I for one will be grateful to the man; no one should ever be imprisoned wrongfully.
What I'm bemused about is, what exactly can he hope to recover from this? The case was pretty much clear cut, and even after Lakin realised the trouble he was in and got himself a proper, non-Birther lawyer, the damage was already done.
He wilfully missed an order to deploy, and had even been telling his superiors of his intention to do so, so what could there possibly be that could ease the punishment?
ETA: At least he has realised his error, so hopefully we won't see another Walter Fitzpatick-type.
He wilfully missed an order to deploy, and had even been telling his superiors of his intention to do so, so what could there possibly be that could ease the punishment?
ETA: At least he has realised his error, so hopefully we won't see another Walter Fitzpatick-type.
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There are a lot things about being in the military that generally are not fair. To me this pales in comparison to the fact that soldiers are expected to waive a lot of the freedoms that they fight to defend for the rest of us.
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Not much like reality then. In reality there would be a whole bunch of people who watch the bad guy being unmasked and then say "but it must have been a ghost all the other times."
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Apologies if this has already been covered.
Does anyone know about the Mara Zebest 'it's a fake' analysis of the certificate? She appears on a 'National Press Club'/Jerome Corsi site.
Does anyone know about the Mara Zebest 'it's a fake' analysis of the certificate? She appears on a 'National Press Club'/Jerome Corsi site.
Mara Zebests 'analysis': http://www.scribd.com/doc/58950127/...ong-Form-Birth-Certificate-Report-Final-Draft
A debunking of said 'analysis': http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest
Not much to add in my opinion. Birthers are still making the mistaken assumption, that the PDF is the original file which was given to President Obama, when for all we know it's a scan of the paper print of a microfilm print.
ETA: Oh, and they're still ignoring that Hawaiian state officials have repeatedly stated that the file is on record at the DoH, and that the information matches what has been released by the President.
A debunking of said 'analysis': http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest
Not much to add in my opinion. Birthers are still making the mistaken assumption, that the PDF is the original file which was given to President Obama, when for all we know it's a scan of the paper print of a microfilm print.
ETA: Oh, and they're still ignoring that Hawaiian state officials have repeatedly stated that the file is on record at the DoH, and that the information matches what has been released by the President.
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