Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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KDLarsen said:
Mara Zebests 'analysis': http://www.scribd.com/doc/58950127/...ong-Form-Birth-Certificate-Report-Final-Draft

A debunking of said 'analysis': http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest

Not much to add in my opinion. Birthers are still making the mistaken assumption, that the PDF is the original file which was given to President Obama, when for all we know it's a scan of the paper print of a microfilm print.

ETA: Oh, and they're still ignoring that Hawaiian state officials have repeatedly stated that the file is on record at the DoH, and that the information matches what has been released by the President.
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Terry Lakin is still a gullible fool.

"I was framed."

"I am innocent."

"I was put in prison because someone had it in for me."

The man will apparently believe anything.
 
Grassy Knowlington said:
Apologies if this has already been covered.

Does anyone know about the Mara Zebest 'it's a fake' analysis of the certificate? She appears on a 'National Press Club'/Jerome Corsi site.
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Zebest is also a PUMA from way back, who as far back as 2008 was pushing things like finding ways to keep Obama off of state ballots and repeating birther stories that he was born in Kenya. She also was urging people to keep their kids home from school to boycott Obama's January 20th, 2009 inauguration.

She's not exactly an unbiased analyst here.
 
I had a friend who went insane (I mean that literally) over the PUMA stuff. Her formerly reasonable liberal media site suddenly looked like a clone of Stormfront; She kept posting cartoons of Obama with every major racist cliche I can think of.

I told her off and haven't spoken with her since.
 
Remeber Orly?

In her long drawnout legal fight with Philip Berg and Lisa Liberi, she filed the following otion about two weeks ago. (it's rather short for an Orly document, only 2 pages long)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58433201/...OUNDATIONS-INC-gov-uscourts-cacd-497989-234-0

Not really sure what she is saying in that document? You are not alone. The judge issued the following:
Defendant Orly Taitz submitted a request “seeking leave of court for this court to comply with an outstanding order by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals to hear all of the
outstanding motions, that were not heard in this case for two years now,” followed by two
pages of stream-of-consciousness statements that are difficult to relate to the request.
(Dkt. # 234.) The request is DENIED.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/59002925/Guilford-Denial-of-Taitz-Request-06-29-2011-Doc-243
 
kookbreaker said:
He has 'replied' in a matter of words. I am no expert but it looks like some special pleading in action.
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I submitted another comment, attempting to answer some of his questions. Just in case he decides not to address them, I'll reproduce it here, just so you guys can see:

If you want to see an example of another document created in this fashion, Nathan Golding at the National Review Online addressed the "layers" issue at the time the long form certificate PDF was released, and if you scroll down to his second update, he has another PDF that he generated using the same software, Quartz PDFContext for Mac.

The article by Dr. Krawetz glossed on the reason for the separate color and individual greyscale layers, but there's a better description of the process here.

Roughly, in order to create a PDF with a reasonable file size, the software does its best to separate the text and foreground images from the background image. The background is then highly compressed into a jpg. Foreground images are only compressed a little, to maintain image quality, and are saved in a separate layer. A "mask" (the "blotch" layer you describe) is used to further save space, since those holes in the background layer will be filled by the text and foreground images. Finally, the extracted text is, as the above link describes, "analyzes the outlines of similar characters in the document, creates an average character template and uses it instead of a character itself." That's why some letters, such as the i in "inside" and the i in "judicial" you point out, appear identical: you're not seeing the two i's as they appear on the original document, but the optimized, averaged i's created by the PDF software.

Because the original birth certificate is so irregular, the process wasn't exactly perfect when it was applied. The software recognized as much as it could of the text and images, which is why you see things like numbers and letters appear in the background jpg, and why some objects (like checkboxes and signature fragments) that should have been recognized as foreground images appear in the text layers.

For a further example of the flaws in Ms. Zebest's analysis of the PDF, regardless of her expertise with Photoshop, let's take the mysterious "Derek's PDF" tag encoded into the long form birth certificate. Zebest (and you) think this may point to White House staffer Derek R. B. Douglas as the possible forger. But it doesn't.

Take a look at this PDF, for example. It's a PDF hosted on the University of Michigan's Center for Health Communications Research website, last modified back in April of 2008. It has the exact same "Derek's PDF" tag.

And it's far from the only PDF out there with that tag. The ASCII appears as "Derek's PDF", but in Windows encoding, it appears as ƒÂÚÂÎßÛ. A quick Google search of "ƒÂÚÂÎßÛ pdf" reveals hundreds of PDFs with the same "Derek" tag.

Why is that? Because these PDFs, like the PDF of the President's long form birth certificate, were created on an Apple computer. In 2007, Apple, Inc. acquired the CUPS printing software to incorporate into their computer operating systems. CUPS includes, as its PDF filter, a sub-program called Xpdf. Xpdf was created by one Derek B. Noonburg (scroll down to the "Legal" section). That's why most PDFs created on an Apple computer contain the tag "Derek's PDF", because they were made using Derek's PDF code.
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Alferd_Packer said:
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark. . . .
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In one update, he noted that the DjVU file format for web would result in all the "anomalies" in the PDF. He talked about how he was going to investigate the format to see if he could reproduce them, in case the long form PDF was originally in that format. I submitted an additional comment pointing out that PDFs can be created directly using basically the same process DjVU uses to optimize documents.

However, in another update, he cited a Post and Email article! So I'm getting the feeling he's made up his mind about the PDF...
 
Orly's angering another judge

Chief U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said he has not yet imposed sanctions because the government has not asked.
"Plaintiff should be aware, however, that repeated violations of the rules are in fact sanctionable, even sua sponte," he wrote. "Moreover, wasting the court's time with nonsense is not the way for plaintiff to have any hope of prevailing in this case."
When confronted with her repeated errors, Lamberth said Taitz made a "somewhat hysterical claim for reconsideration" and said a court employee was "intentionally sabotaging" her.
On Monday, Taitz sent another version of her opposition to the court with the last four digits of the Social Security number redacted yet again.
"Plaintiff is either toying with the court or displaying her own stupidity," Lamberth wrote. "She made the correct redactions when she re-filed her complaint and amended complaint. There is no logical explanation she can provide as to why she is now wasting the court's time, as well as staff's time, with these improper redactions."
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http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/28/38543.htm
 
WND's (Wing Nut Delusions) Joseph Farah wonders if this was REALLY President Obama's 50th birthday.

How much don't we know about Barack Obama as he nears the end of his third year of White House occupation?

Well, he claims today is his 50th birthday.

Yet, incredibly, it is still only an unsubstantiated claim – and, perhaps, more suspect than ever.
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=329509
 
It's well established that Obamas don't have birthdays because they are never born nor do they die. They are like that jellyfish that just grows new ones from detached bits of itself.
 
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