Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Worm said:
He's proud of the fact that he diverted the time of (arguably) the most powerful leader in the modern world away from, you know, important stuff, to look at ancient irrelevant documentation.

Yeah, good work fella.
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This is occasionally claimed by conspiracy theorists as a benefit of their fantasising - that events are investigated that wouldn't have been investigated if they hadn't demanded it, whether there was any need to investigate them or not. I would like to propose that we dub this behaviour "Trumping".

Dave
 
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=303181

White house provided document related to the birth certificate of Obama is a forgery:

Zatkovich, with 28 years experience in computer science and document management and for more than 10 years an expert witness providing testimony in federal court in both criminal and civil litigation, said the multiple PDF document layers are unusual.

"When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information. The PDF that appears on the White House website however, contains multiple layers of graphic information. Multiple layers usually appear in a document like this when it is being edited or modified in some fashion.

"It is possible to take a single layer PDF and inadvertently create multiple layers, without changing the image in any fashion. But that does not appear to be the case here. The multiple layers in the PDF document are a result of changes made to the image," his report said.
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Golly Gee whiz! A real expert? Wow.....except he isn't qualified to judge the document. What...wait...how do I know?

I went to his website, and like usual WND is misrepresenting things.

Ivan Zatkovich - Expert Witness said:
Ivan Zatkovich has 28 years of experience in computer science, computer networks and software engineering. Mr. Zatkovich is the principal consultant with eCompConsultants, a technology consulting firm specializing in intellectual property consulting for telecommunications, web publishing and eCommerce. Mr. Zatkovich has 9 years experience providing expert testimony for patent litigation and software & appplication disputes in ecommerce, search engines, financial services, internet copyright and telecommunications cases providing expert reports, depositions, and trial testimony.
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From his website you can see that he lists no specialization or proficiency with PDF file format or specifically imaging programs in general. So yet more unqualified statements from people who are experts at something to do with computers and use that to mystify people who know little to nothing about computers.
 
No Adobe products touched the PDF on the website. It was done through a MAC software that converted it to PDF .

the meta information shows this.

birthers grasping at straws.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
Golly Gee whiz! A real expert? Wow.....except he isn't qualified to judge the document. What...wait...how do I know?

I went to his website, and like usual WND is misrepresenting things.

From his website you can see that he lists no specialization or proficiency with PDF file format or specifically imaging programs in general. So yet more unqualified statements from people who are experts at something to do with computers and use that to mystify people who know little to nothing about computers.
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He makes his living as an expert witness? I think he just lost his gig.

Next time he is on the stand, the opposing side will barrage him with questions about his conspiracy theories, and this will thoroughly impeach the witness.
 
9/11-investigator said:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=303181

White house provided document related to the birth certificate of Obama is a forgery:
"When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information. The PDF that appears on the White House website however, contains multiple layers of graphic information. Multiple layers usually appear in a document like this when it is being edited or modified in some fashion.
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Ignored qualifiers aside, the Layers aren't what a human would use. You get several random letters on the same layer, indicative of machine-generated layers, not human-selected. I'd post a Youtube video where someone scans a random page in Illustrator and gets similar results, but it seems to be buried under birther videos.
 
000063 said:
Ignored qualifiers aside, the Layers aren't what a human would use. You get several random letters on the same layer, indicative of machine-generated layers, not human-selected. I'd post a Youtube video where someone scans a random page in Illustrator and gets similar results, but it seems to be buried under birther videos.
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In fact there are signatures that exist divided between clipping groups. None of it makes sense for an artist to do. Of course really it makes no sense to forge a document and then not flatten the image before converting it to PDF.
 
As I have asked before: wouldn't it be time to put this thread to rest?

As it's not going quietly: could one kill it?
 
If this thread is killed off, you know it's only a matter of time before one of the usual suspects starts a new one. This way, the mods can at least just merge threads as they prop up.

Besides, the Birtherstani faithful are far from finished, there are still all sorts of excuses ready to explore.
 
000063 said:
Ignored qualifiers aside, the Layers aren't what a human would use. You get several random letters on the same layer, indicative of machine-generated layers, not human-selected. I'd post a Youtube video where someone scans a random page in Illustrator and gets similar results, but it seems to be buried under birther videos.
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The tech guru at the National Review Online scanned random documents and found the exact same layers inside each of them.

You can also read this discussion of the "layers" issue, from an actual expert in the matter (the author of that article has given presentations on forensic image analysis at industry conferences and to government conferences).
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Corsi's not giving up that easily.

now he's claiming thathere is a "smiley face" in the registrar's signature.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105250016
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if you blow up the state registrar's signature to a "magnification of 800 percent, the distinct form of a smiley face can be seen on the side of the 'A' in Onaka's first name.


Must have been a controlled demolition. Inside jobbity job.
 
I remember I once pointed out on this very forum how easily manipulated the NYT bestseller list was, and this is a perfect example of how it it manipulated. Bulk orders really give the impression of success, but I doubt most people really read the book, and WND will likely offer a deep discount sale at the same time bragging about it.
 
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