Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Myron Proudfoot said:
WND's (Wing Nut Delusions) Joseph Farah wonders if this was REALLY President Obama's 50th birthday.

How much don't we know about Barack Obama as he nears the end of his third year of White House occupation?

Well, he claims today is his 50th birthday.

Yet, incredibly, it is still only an unsubstantiated claim – and, perhaps, more suspect than ever.
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=329509
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Wow. So, not only would the location on his birth certificate be incorrect, but the actual date of birth itself? Has he made that claim before?
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Wow. So, not only would the location on his birth certificate be incorrect, but the actual date of birth itself? Has he made that claim before?
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No, I think the claim is more that since the birth certificates presented by Obama, including the long form, are clearly forgeries, we cannot assume anything on them is accurate. We cannot even be sure the Barack Hussein Obama, jr (if that is his real name) is even the son of Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Durham
 
cwalner said:
I am sure that question is raised a lot over at Icke's forum.
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I suspect they suspect or 'know' he's a reptile but I'm not brave enough to venture into Icky land to find out - my mind will not face the limitless black hole of of intellect that is Icke's site.
 
In Birther news, Nitrous Addled Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz flew to Hawaii this weekend to see if she can force the Hawaii Department Of Health to have her and her faux experts, view the original vault copy of Obama's COLB per her failed 3 attempts of issuing a subpoena.

Despite of course:
1) a subpoena isn't a court order, thereby not even legally valid
2) the third subpoena wasn't even served properly
3) her two experts are known birthers (one is a scanner salesman, the other isn't even a document expert)

Hope that she spent a lot of money visiting my home state, just for the government to tell her to FOAD

ETA: I will not link to Orly Taitz website due to several times of her being incompetent in running it, and allowing malware to be published/installed on her pages.
 
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Update: Orly and her faux experts were given the FOAD letter yet again from the Hawaii AG

she went straight to the Hawaii US District Court to file a motion to compel ex-parte on Loretta Fuddy.

08/08/2011 1 (Proposed) Order on Ex Parte Emergency MOTION for Emergency Order to Show Cause and to Compel Attendance for Production of Documents and for Attorneys' Fees and Costs - by Plaintiff Orly Taitz.
(Attachments: # 1
2 Exhibit A,3 Exhibit B,
4 Exhibit C)(emt, ) (Additional attachment(s) added on 8/8/2011: # 5 Exhibit D) (emt, ). (Entered: 08/08/2011)

08/08/2011 2 Filing fee: $ 39, receipt number HI000664 re 1 Ex Parte Emergency MOTION. (emt, ) (Entered: 08/08/2011)

08/08/2011 3 NOTICE of Hearing on 1 MOTION to Compel is set for 9/14/2011 at 10:00 AM in Courtroom 6 before JUDGE RICHARD L. PUGLISI. Plaintiff to provide notice of the hearing to Loretta Fuddy, Health Department, State of Hawaii. (agh)
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She wanted Fuddy in court tomorrow!

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Order on Ex Parte Emergency MOTION for Emergency Order to Show Cause and to Compel Attendance for Production of Documents and for Attorneys' Fees and Costs - by Plaintiff Orly Taitz:
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Now I'm no lawyer, but is she really demanding to both see the documents and have the state pay her legal fees? Shouldn't that wait until she "wins"?
 
elbe said:
Now I'm no lawyer, but is she really demanding to both see the documents and have the state pay her legal fees? Shouldn't that wait until she "wins"?
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IANAL either, but my understanding is that it is common practice to request recompense for fees in some suits with the suit. Obviously, nobody rational expects to get awarded that unless they win (which means that Orly probably does expect it regardless of outcome), but I don't think it is atypical to put the request for such in the suit.
 
cwalner said:
IANAL either, but my understanding is that it is common practice to request recompense for fees in some suits with the suit. Obviously, nobody rational expects to get awarded that unless they win (which means that Orly probably does expect it regardless of outcome), but I don't think it is atypical to put the request for such in the suit.
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I get that, but it doesn't seem like a suit, just a demand to see a document.
 
elbe said:
Now I'm no lawyer, but is she really demanding to both see the documents and have the state pay her legal fees? Shouldn't that wait until she "wins"?
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but she's not represented by any lawyer. She's pro-se and SHE of her own volition decided to file the non-legal subpoena, travel to Hawaii with her faux experts in tow, and file this motion.

All she deserves is another FOAD and GTFOOMC from the Judge.
 
elbe said:
I get that, but it doesn't seem like a suit, just a demand to see a document.
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this is where nitrous addled Orly Taitz doesn't understand legal procedure.

this is the aftermath (or is it her deranged belief) from the FOIA case: Taitz vs Astrue in the US Court of District of Columbia (demanding that she get to see the Social Security records of Barack H. Obama II). She however was told by the SSA that those records are not privy to anyone other than Barack Obama and his family, and only available if he were dead. since he's not dead, then the public and her do not have a right to see those records (per SSA's policies). this all originates from her unfounded claim that Barack Obama is using a false social security number and that she filed along with her case, illegally gotten information (Barack's SSN and Selective service information) -- yes the ditz filed ILLEGALLY gotten information in a court case.

Long story short, she jumped the gun and filed 3 - yes 3 subpoenas to force "discovery" on the HDOH, when her case in DC hasn't even reached that stage yet.

Lamberth needs to follow through and just dump the case. the SSA already gave their answer to her.
 
Arus808 said:
but she's not represented by any lawyer. She's pro-se and SHE of her own volition decided to file the non-legal subpoena, travel to Hawaii with her faux experts in tow, and file this motion.

All she deserves is another FOAD and GTFOOMC from the Judge.
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definitely agree. I am just saying that I think it is common practice to ask for legal fees along with the suit, rather than waiting for the outcome and then requesting legal fees reimbursement.
 
At Badfiction Dean C. Haskins of the birther summit goes on the crazy war path. All full of dodge and fail...you might even stomach this enough to get to my Jayray comment at the end in which I call out his constant use of Vattel and religious scripture to avoid contrary evidence.

If you don't make it...I understand, but still reading a few of the comments will show how lame the birther position really is. Also you will see why they are losing out because the people that once believed in this crap are now focused on electing someone else...like much of the 9/11 movement it is at its heart pure politics.
 
And in more crazy birther news, a moron, Staff Sergeant Daryn J. Moran is going "Lakin" route in his crazy claim that Obama is an illegal in the office.


This same officer in the Air Force is already facing discharge for currently being on AWOL and reprimanded for his gay bashing rhetoric. He is also an islamaphobe

http://www.redcounty.com/users/daryn-j-moran/track

You can read his BS here:
http://www.theblaze.com/users/daryn-j-moran/
http://twitter.com/#!/DarynJMoran - loves to tweet and link to WND.

The guy is married and has two kids.

http://military.omaha.com/2011/02/16/meet-the-team/#comment-660

And they say conspiracy theorists do not hurt anyone. THEY Do. His entire belief is based on the LIES spouted by Farah and Corsi, and now he's putting his entire fraking career on the line, meaning that his FAMILY, his wife and children will suffer the brunt of his moronic actions.

You can view his claims at ORYR (a birther site) in a video interview:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/air-force-staff-sergeant-refusing.html

Warning, the rest of the site is just birther craziness.
 
Arus808 said:
And in more crazy birther news, a moron, Staff Sergeant Daryn J. Moran is going "Lakin" route in his crazy claim that Obama is an illegal in the office.


This same officer Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO)in the Air Force is already facing discharge for currently being on AWOL and reprimanded for his gay bashing rhetoric. He is also an islamaphobe

http://www.redcounty.com/users/daryn-j-moran/track

You can read his BS here:
http://www.theblaze.com/users/daryn-j-moran/
http://twitter.com/#!/DarynJMoran - loves to tweet and link to WND.

The guy is married and has two kids.

http://military.omaha.com/2011/02/16/meet-the-team/#comment-660

And they say conspiracy theorists do not hurt anyone. THEY Do. His entire belief is based on the LIES spouted by Farah and Corsi, and now he's putting his entire fraking career on the line, meaning that his FAMILY, his wife and children will suffer the brunt of his moronic actions.

You can view his claims at ORYR (a birther site) in a video interview:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/08/air-force-staff-sergeant-refusing.html

Warning, the rest of the site is just birther craziness.
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ftfy; most NCO's don't like to be compared to officers. They say they WORK for a living. :D

Setting that part aside, I find it utterly reprehensible of this soldier that he refuses to accept the plain and honest truth. I know it's beyond easy to delude yourself, but this guy sounds batcrap crazy. Sounds like he was already having issues though; getting discharged for a personality disorder because you called homosexuality a sin is not exactly a ringing endorsement. My guess is, this was sparked less so because of Obama and moreso because of the repeal of DADT.
 
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