Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[A'isha]

So you found something *official* saying that it was policy not to issue a certified long form birth certificate. That doesn't mean THAT policy was not in violation of what Hawaiian law clearly states.

It's been ten years since that "policy", BAC. Why has no one challenged this "violation" in court?

It also means that contrary to what you earlier claimed with such authority, the Hawaiian government had no problem at all in changing policy ... "on a whim".

And, unlike you (who practically demanded that Obama and Hawaii do this), I am not happy about the exception to the "statutory restrictions" that Obama asked for and received.

 

[timhau]

Tsk … tsk … tsk. No apologies?

We're all real sorry that we were right. We also apologize for showing once again just how crazy the lunatic fringe is.

 

[The Platypus]

I'll definitely trust something *official* long before some crazy guy on the internet...

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Neither OCR nor optimization generates clipping masks.

Clipping masks are what were found within the Obama birth cert.

Yeah, no there weren't. It has been explained to you the phenomenon you encounter when opening up a pdf in Illustrator. I mean seriously? Do you even understand what a clipping mask is? It isn't a whitish digital artifact around some text. Do want a tutorial? I will link you some here, here, here, and here. That is just from a quick search, but it will help you.

Maybe you should also look into a basic book on Photoshop and Illustrator, because right now you are just throwing around terms without any idea what they mean.

 

[A'isha]

According to this article,
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292053

As usual, WND is wrong. The "testimony of many individuals who obtained their own original birth certificate records from the department" turns out to be two people, one who provided a self-admitted uncertified copy, and the other a known liar who provided an almost-certainly-forged copy of some anonymous person's certificate (rather than obtaining a copy of her own son's certificate).

And that's it.

EDIT: Man, WND are even bigger liars than I thought. They say Miki Booth actually obtained a copy of her son's "long form", quoting her as saying "When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that – a "Certificate of Live Birth," not the same as Obama's. Different titles and different information. Obama's is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport – Mother's State/Country of Birth and Father's State/Country of Birth."

Except she's not talking about her son's long form. She's never obtained her son's long form. The form she's describing in that quote is her son's computer-generated abstract (as you can see if you follow the link to her Post and Email article). It's a revised version of the short form Obama got, but it's still the short form certificate!

 

[kookbreaker]

According to this article,
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292053

No. Just, no.

 

[BeAChooser]

It's been ten years since that "policy", BAC. Why has no one challenged this "violation" in court?

Perhaps because, as noted in the post preceding yours, some who did try to get their long form birth certificate succeeded.

 

[therival58]

No. Just, no.

No to what? That's pretty vague.

 

[michaelsuede]

Yeah, no there weren't. It has been explained to you the phenomenon you encounter when opening up a pdf in Illustrator. I mean seriously? Do you even understand what a clipping mask is? It isn't a whitish digital artifact around some text. Do want a tutorial? I will link you some here, here, here, and here. That is just from a quick search, but it will help you.

Maybe you should also look into a basic book on Photoshop and Illustrator, because right now you are just throwing around terms without any idea what they mean.

I own Illustrator and did the experiments myself.

A clipping mask is not a layer.

OCR translates text into a text layer (which is not what we see in the Obama birth cert).

Optimization creates layering, not clipping masks.

All clipping masks in the Obama cert are found on a single layer.

I suggest you do some research yourself before commenting further.

 

[A'isha]

Perhaps because, as noted in the post preceding yours, some who did try to get their long form birth certificate succeeded.

And, as noted in my reply, they didn't. And WND directly lied about it, too.

 

[A'isha]

No to what? That's pretty vague.

"No" as in "no, none of the claims in that article are true."

 

[therival58]

As usual, WND is wrong. The "testimony of many individuals who obtained their own original birth certificate records from the department" turns out to be two people, one who provided a self-admitted uncertified copy, and the other a known liar who provided an almost-certainly-forged copy of some anonymous person's certificate (rather than obtaining a copy of her own son's certificate).

And that's it.

EDIT: Man, WND are even bigger liars than I thought. They say Miki Booth actually obtained a copy of her son's "long form", quoting her as saying "When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that – a "Certificate of Live Birth," not the same as Obama's. Different titles and different information. Obama's is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport – Mother's State/Country of Birth and Father's State/Country of Birth."

Except she's not talking about her son's long form. She's never obtained her son's long form. The form she's describing in that quote is her son's computer-generated abstract (as you can see if you follow the link to her Post and Email article). It's a revised version of the short form Obama got, but it's still the short form certificate!

What about the Nordyke Twins' longforms?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457

 

[NotJesus]

Perhaps because, as noted in the post preceding yours, some who did try to get their long form birth certificate succeeded.

Except they didn't.

You've got a bit of pie on your face. Take the seltzer bottle and wash it off.

 

[kookbreaker]

No to what? That's pretty vague.

1) You are trusting World Nut Daily
2) As ANTpogo points out just a couple of posts past yours they are grossly exaggerating the situation - it was at most two people and likely those two are faked.
3) You are trusting World Nut Daily
4) That article was brought up in this thread previously and debunked
5) You are trusting World Nut Daily

In short, read the thread.

 

[A'isha]

What about the Nordyke Twins' longforms?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457

Those are the original copies from 1961. They weren't generated after 2001.

Miki Booth has likewise shown copies of her son's and husband's originals from before 2001, and nothing afterwards (save her son's short form).

 

[kookbreaker]

Perhaps because, as noted in the post preceding yours, some who did try to get their long form birth certificate succeeded.

Then it should be easy for your to name 5 or 6 of them.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

I own Illustrator and did the experiments myself.

A clipping mask is not a layer.

OCR translates text into a text layer (which is not what we see in the Obama birth cert).

Optimization creates layering, not clipping masks.

All clipping masks in the Obama cert are found on a single layer.

I suggest you do some research yourself before commenting further.

Good you own it, but you don't understand it. Yes I can do the same thing in my copy of Illustrator, but it doesn't mean the document is forged. It is just how Illustrator translates native pdf files. It generates a path, which is called a clipping path. Did you notice that part when you were doing the experiments yourself?

Illustrator translates the text from a pdf into a path, or to put it in more simplistic terms: it attempts to vectorize the text. Those are paths not clipping masks. There is a difference.

 

[Anders Lindman]

At the very least the Obama administration must have known that publishing a strange PDF like that would lead to a lot of speculations. That's a conspiracy! Albeit a small one.

 

[michaelsuede]

Good you own it, but you don't understand it. Yes I can do the same thing in my copy of Illustrator, but it doesn't mean the document is forged. It is just how Illustrator translates native pdf files. It generates a path, which is called a clipping path. Did you notice that part when you were doing the experiments yourself?

Illustrator translates the text from a pdf into a path, or to put it in more simplistic terms: it attempts to vectorize the text.

I understand it completely considering I use it.

You are the one who is confused here.

You are conflating layering in Photoshop with layering in Illustrator, the two have some important differences with how they deal with masks.

Neither OCR nor optimization generates multiple clipping masks on a single layer within a scanned document.

 

[A'isha]

Then it should be easy for your to name 5 or 6 of them.

Hey, he can't even "name" the two mentioned in the WND article. Both the "Danae" certificate and the one supposedly belonging to the daughter of one of Miki Booth's friends are anonymous! The name has been redacted on both (and in the case of the Booth-provided one, which is of a minor, we don't know the name of the parent who ostensibly obtained it).