Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[tsig]

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Seriously, you’ll crap your pants.

The people who doctored the image of Obama’s birth cert were stupid enough not to merge the image layers of their forgery before converting it into a pdf document. (technically they are clipping masks, which are slightly different than layers).

Hence, there are image layers that can be pulled out of the document when it is imported into Adobe Illustrator.

Here’s the layer that contains the stamps:
[qimg]http://www.fascistsoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obamafake-371x480.png[/qimg]

This means that the stamps, the lettering, and the background are all separate entities within the image that were layered together digitally. It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY this officially released document is an original scanned image of Obama’s birth cert. An original pdf of a scanned image would have only one layer – the scanned image itself. And certainly there would be no ‘stamp’ layers.

I have verified the ATS author’s claims. Here is an image I created myself by moving the layers in the official document:
[qimg]http://www.fascistsoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obamaforgery.jpg[/qimg]

Here is my altered version of that pdf.

Alex Jones actually opens up Adobe Illustrator and points out the same things I just did in this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

A few more points of note from

www.thesmokinggun.com…

• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document’s safety paper be so seamless?

• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?

• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?

• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?

• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”

That was a brilliant tour de farce.

 

[BeAChooser]

Tsk … tsk … tsk. No apologies? It doesn't really surprise me, given past interactions with this group. Nor am I surprised by the fact that some of you are still trying to maintain the pretense that you were right. Some of you are even claiming this document is not really certified. It's all rather pathetic to watch. But quite entertaining.

 

[BeAChooser]

BaC, you still haven't answered any of the relevant questions.

Does this birth certificate put to rest any concerns you have over the President's birthplace or not?

What? No apology, Sabrina? Just *impatience*? Won't you allow me a few days to let this all settle out before announcing my conclusions? Give various folks a chance to actually examine what's been released? Oh, very well. Since you are soooooo impatient ... here's my answer. Yes, Sabrina, at first blush this does allay my doubts. This would appear to be proof we can trust that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Satisfied?

I'm ignoring your flawed interpretation of the laws in Hawaii due to the fact that you seem to be ignoring that the White House, according to the correspondence they posted, had to request an EXCEPTION to the law (thereby proving that Hawaii under their current law will NOT release the original to just anyone), so you won't be getting any apologies from me.

LOL! So President's are above the law? And you are OK with that? Any other laws you think we should allow this president to get an "EXCEPTION" for by simply writing a letter? Hmmmm?

You'll get an apology from me when I see an apology from you for refusing to believe that Lakin brought his situation on himself …. snip ..., plus a retraction of your statements that Obama ruined his career.

But Obama clearly did ruin Lakin's career. All Lakin wanted to see is the document that was just released. And apparently it was so simple to make that happen. A simple letter and taa daa … in a few days a certified copy was available for release to the public. And that would have spared Lakin and saved the cost of all the lawyers hired by Lakin, Obama and the government (paid for by the taxpayers) in that case. One … letter. But instead Obama let this otherwise exemplary military officer (who was only expressing the doubt that some 40% of the American public had at the time but who, because he might have to put his life on the line for this President, wanted real assurance) have his life (and his family's life) ruined. It will be very curious to see what happens now to him. I think Obama owes him a pardon. It would be the decent thing to do.

I still want you to answer one simple question in yes or no format: Does this birth certificate released by the White House quiet any concerns that you may have had about the President's birth place? Direct question, yes or no response only please. No qualifications of the answer will be accepted.

Arggggh! A *demand* from a poster who made two bogus claims and then she failed to back them up when challenged by me? Well, I've now answered your question, Sabrina. Yes, was my response. So now it's your turn. Show us where you got the claim that the Supreme Court had ruled Obama met all the Constitutional requirements for President. Can you do it or not? If the answer is yes, then do it. Show us ONE source for the definition of "certified copy" that your side of this debate has been using. Can you do it or not? If the answer is yes, then do it. "No qualifications of the answer will be accepted." Or were you actually just "ignorant" about those topics? Hmmmmm?

 

[A'isha]

LOL! So President's are above the law? And you are OK with that? Any other laws you think we should allow this president to get an "EXCEPTION" for by simply writing a letter? Hmmmm?

Since you're the one who wanted him to do this, why don't you tell us what other laws you think the President should get an exception for, just because he's President and asks nicely?

 

[Taarkin]

The president did exactly what I demanded he do? Who does this guy think he is!

 

[A'isha]

But Obama clearly did ruin Lakin's career. All Lakin wanted to see is the document that was just released.

Which he had no right to ask for. He couldn't even get that document for his own daughter.

One … letter. But instead Obama let this otherwise exemplary military officer (who was only expressing the doubt that some 40% of the American public had at the time but who, because he might have to put his life on the line for this President, wanted real assurance) have his life (and his family's life) ruined. It will be very curious to see what happens now to him. I think Obama owes him a pardon. It would be the decent thing to do.

Lakin chose to disbelieve a document accepted by every single government agency and court of law in the United States as proof of birth and citizenship. That he then used that utterly baseless disbelief as justification for disobeying a fully lawful order passed down the proper military chain of command is entirely his own fault.

 

[michaelsuede]

Well, here's the counter to the Alex Jones vid ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWQw2AAIho

This provides an explanation for the layers. But, it doesn't explain the background, the single-bit 1064 and the grayscale 1. I think the WH should provide the complete provenance of the posted document. And, they should post a non-photoshoped scanned image of the BC if one exists.

I don't think it even provides an explanation for the layers. The layers in question are clipping masks, and thus are not the same as the type of layers generated by OCR or optimization techniques.

Unsurprisingly, the guy in the video fails to point out this difference. As far as I am aware, clipping masks only come from manual creation.

 

[metamars]

Pretty much everything in the quote from that link is false. The form contains lots of information not found on the computer generated form, including the signatures of both Obama's mother (who died in 1995) and Dr. David A. Sinclair (who died in 2003), meaning the document could not have been produced any later than then (so the one Obama showed is not a recently-created abstracted, but a photocopy or printed scan of the 1961 original).

Kenya was indeed called Kenya before 1963 - see, for instance, this Kenyan census form from 1962 (which incidentally confirms that Obama Sr. would have considered his race to be "African").

And Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital was indeed named that long before 1978. That exact name appears on the birth certificates for the Nordyke twins (born the day after Obama was), as well as published papers describing studies done at the hospital, such as this one published in 1969 and this one published in 1950.



He was speaking about his maternal grandfather (who did serve in WW2), and misspoke.

Thanks. Unfortunately, when I went to compare what you write with the page I linked to, that had an "Update" section with the long form of the birth certificate, where I drew the quote from, I see that it's been removed from the web page.

 

[The Platypus]

They should post an non-photoshoped scanned image. Period.

Why? Don't you realize that people are onto you CT kooks and hip to your games yet? We all know full well that you would just reject it and grasp on ever more tightly to your brainwashed delusions while demanding something else. Y'all are so known for this game of demand, reject, repeat, that providing anything CTers demand is simply pointless...Period.

 

[A'isha]

Thanks. Unfortunately, when I went to compare what you write with the page I linked to, that had an "Update" section with the long form of the birth certificate, where I drew the quote from, I see that it's been removed from the web page.

What, you mean you wanted to compare what I wrote with Obama's long form certificate, but can't because that website removed the copy it had posted?

You can find it right on the White House website, you know.

 

[Bob001]

Just watched Steven Colbert's assessment of the birth certificate. He says it couldn't possibly be the true long form, because the paper is actually shorter than the short form. He demands to see the "foot-long form," which he says would only cost $5. He also contends that if it was really produced in 1961, it would have mentioned Ed Sullivan prominently. And who's this "Stanley," he asks; is Obama's mom a dude? Besides, when he rubs his finger across his laptop screen he can't feel any raised seal. I'm convinced!

 

[BeAChooser]

Since you're the one who wanted him to do this, why don't you tell us what other laws you think the President should get an exception for, just because he's President and asks nicely?

LOL! You know full well that I've maintained all along that it is legal, according to Hawaiian Law, for Obama, as registrant, with a "direct and tangible interest" to ask for and receive a certified copy of his long form. I only suggested he could get an exception because YOU maintained that it was illegal for Obama ... for ANYONE ... to get a certified copy of the long form. And you denied that was possible when I suggested it. So either way you were wrong, ANTPogo.

 

[BeAChooser]

He couldn't even get that document for his own daughter.

Because he couldn't show he had a "direct and tangible interest"? After all, you are claiming he wouldn't have needed the long form for anything. But Obama clearly did need the long form ... if for no other reason than the good of the country, as the Whitehouse has just admitted is the case.

 

[BeAChooser]

Just watched Steven Colbert's assessment of the birth certificate. He says it couldn't possibly be the true long form, because the paper is actually shorter than the short form. He demands to see the "foot-long form," which he says would only cost $5.

Now that is funny.

 

[BenBurch]

They should post an non-photoshoped scanned image. Period.

Nope. They shouldn't. JUST to annoy an piss off birthers.

 

[A'isha]

Because he couldn't show he had a "direct and tangible interest"?

He absolutely has a "direct and tangible interest".

§338-18 Disclosure of records

b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

So why couldn't he get his daughter's long form?

 

[BeAChooser]

So why couldn't he get his daughter's long form?

Because Hawaii was violating it's own laws?

Because if Hawaii had issued a long form then, there'd have been no excuse they could use not to issue one to Obama?

 

[BenBurch]

Maybe it does explain it. I found:

[qimg]http://i55.tinypic.com/2dhbh5k.jpg[/qimg]

It shows a similar mix of different types of scanning. Ok, then it's normal, BUT the Obama administration must surely have known that the conspiracy speculations would go wild with such a document.

Compression algorithms react differently to curved and rectilinear shapes.

 

[A'isha]

Because Hawaii was violating it's own laws?

So, the correspondence between Obama and the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has the President asking for and being granted an exception to this violation of Hawaii's laws? "Dear Hawaii, please stop breaking your laws in this instance." "Okay, but only this once, because you're the president!"

Because if Hawaii had issued a long form then, there'd have been no excuse they could use not to issue one to Obama?

And they started doing this "excuse" seven years before Obama was elected president because...?

Is the Hawaiian government filled with Obots who can see the future, do you think?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

edit: Excellent. Now to some particulars ...

Let's go with your theory. The BC was photocopied onto official BC stock with green crosshatching. And then this document was scanned to create the image posted. However the image was manipulated with Illustrator, but that did not affect what we see. Is that your theory?

And if so, why do we see artifacts like the different scans for the 1064 (1-bit) and the 1 (grayscale).

No. The fact is that the document was scanned as a PDF, and when opened in Illustrator there will be some vectorization as a result. No where did I ever propose that the image was manipulated in Illustrator. In fact that would be incredibly stupid, and only a complete goober would ever attempt to create a photo realistic fake document with Illustrator (or any vector program) as the end client.

As to your anomalous gray scale 1, it is a photocopy scanned into a PDF. It is an artifact, just like the white pixelization. They are artifacts. If you didn't see white around the letters on a scanned pdf it would do more to signal a fake.