Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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But Obama clearly did ruin Lakin's career. All Lakin wanted to see is the document that was just released.

Laikin disobeyed lawful orders from his superior officers. Under more strenuous war conditions he would have been shot. He's a member of the armed forces, he doesn't get to pick and choose orders based on his own spurious ideas about what the law is.
 
Now let's see, there are those on this forum who were insisting that if Obama released his long form birth certificate, that I'd claim it was a forgery. Guess they were wrong … AGAIN.

Some also suggested that anyone who prior to this harbored doubts was a moron and would not be convinced by the release of the long form. Well, prior to this, as I demonstrated earlier, some 40% of the populace expressed doubts in polls. So how about we look at what polls are showing now?

Here's a USA Today poll taken just before Obama released the document. http://conservativebyte.com/2011/04/shock-poll-only-38-say-obama-definitely-born-in-usa/ In it, only 38% said Obama was "definitely" born in the US. And 18% said he "probably" was. Can't wait to see what a similar poll will show in a few days. Bet it turns out just like I claimed it would … that Obama's releasing his long form will dramatically increase the percentage who harbor no doubts. Good for Obama. Good for the country. So why'd Obama wait so long? :D
 
So, the correspondence between Obama and the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has the President asking for and being granted an exception to this violation of Hawaii's laws?

LOL! You just can't bring yourself to admit I was right, can you? :D
 
I honestly haven't paid much attention to this, since I assumed, as my reference says, that if Obama was ineligible for office, this would have been found out by his political opponents.
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That is the simplest and most logical solution. Way back when, you know them guys went lookin', and found zip.
The dummies ever since have been beating their own meat on this. And,...didja know he's a -black-!... golly jeepers, mr. peepers!
 
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LOL! You just can't bring yourself to admit I was right, can you? :D

You'd actually have to be right for that to happen.

If the law was as you say it was, why couldn't Lakin (with an explict direct and tangible interest as the parent of the registrant) get his daughter's long form? Why couldn't Miki Booth (also someone with an explict direct and tangible interest as the parent of the registrant) get her son's long form? Why did Obama have to request a special exception?
 
Now let's see, there are those on this forum who were insisting that if Obama released his long form birth certificate, that I'd claim it was a forgery. Guess they were wrong … AGAIN.

This is something to be proud of? Seriously?
 
Because he couldn't show he had a "direct and tangible interest"?

This isn't the first time it's been quoted to you:
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;
 
No. The fact is that the document was scanned as a PDF, and when opened in Illustrator there will be some vectorization as a result. No where did I ever propose that the image was manipulated in Illustrator. In fact that would be incredibly stupid, and only a complete goober would ever attempt to create a photo realistic fake document with Illustrator (or any vector program) as the end client.

Got it. Man, this is fun ! So the Illustrator stuff is entirely a red herring, I'll buy that.

So, the process is that the BC is copied, using a B/W scanner, onto official BC stock with a green crosshatched pattern. Then, this piece of paper (let's call it scan 1) is scanned on a color scanner to create the image posted (let's call it scan 2). Correct?

As to your anomalous gray scale 1, it is a photocopy scanned into a PDF. It is an artifact, just like the white pixelization. They are artifacts. If you didn't see white around the letters on a scanned pdf it would do more to signal a fake.

Well, it appears to me there still is a lot to be explained.

First, the overall appearance. If the above theory is correct, then the shading on the left side of the document should appear on the left side of the scan 1 and scan 2. Instead it appears in the middle of both scans, with clear crosshatching to the left. And, the top border, in the upper left corner of the B/C, the inset shadow, is sharp. There is no way that sharp edge would be created using a scanner and a curved piece of paper (the BC). In fact the whole BC appears as an inset, with sharp edges all the way around, on the crosshatching, that is impossible using the theory above.

So, that in itself is enought to show that the theory above cannot be correct.

Then there is the matter that, according to the TickerGuy in a video referenced, a color scanner will produce color artifacts around a scanned black character, and there are no color artifacts around the characters of scan 2, so this again demonstrates that the theory is not correct.

And there is still the matter of the 1 bit scanning for the 1064 and the grayscale scanning for the following 1, and the 1 bit scanning of the single letter in ukelele (shown in a previous post).

So, have you got explanations? Can you give a theory of how the posted document was created that accounts for the lack of color fringing around the type, and the differences in the scanned characters (some b/w, some grayscale)?

You got to admit, this is a fun puzzle.
 
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Shouldnt the COLB have an embossed seal on the front, like these two??
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I think that it may be missing from the new "long form" one because it isn't actually a certified copy; the certified copies issued by Hawaii these days are the "short form" certificates that the birthers object to. The new "long form" is just a copy of the original paper document, not a certified copy.

By the way, aren't those just two copies of the same certificate?

yes, I believe the one in black is a microfiche. But regardless, assuming a long form COLB was created in 1961, only a day before the Susan Nordyke COLB, I see no reason why an embossed seal should not appear in this scanned copy.
 
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Oh, hey, look what I found:

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A letter dated May 15, 2001 (three years before Obama became a US senator, and seven years before he became president), from the then-director of the Hawaii Department of Health, announcing that "pursuant to statutory restrictions", only computer-generated abstract short form birth certificates would be issued, and photocopies would no longer be produced to satisfy requests for certified copies.

Just like I've been saying all along.
 
Got it. Man, this is fun ! So the Illustrator stuff is entirely a red herring, I'll buy that.

So, the process is that the BC is copied, using a B/W scanner, onto official BC stock with a green crosshatched pattern. Then, this piece of paper (let's call it scan 1) is scanned on a color scanner to create the image posted (let's call it scan 2). Correct?

It would have been photocopied. Please keep up with me, and stick to the proper terms. So in a word incorrect, because you keep trying to rewrite my arguments into something they are not.

Well, it appears to me there still is a lot to be explained.

First, the overall appearance. If the above theory is correct, then the shading on the left side of the document should appear on the left side of the scan 1 and scan 2. Instead it appears in the middle of both scans, with clear crosshatching to the left. And, the top border, in the upper left corner of the B/C, the inset shadow, is sharp. There is no way that sharp edge would be created using a scanner and a curved piece of paper (the BC).

This is wrong. Yes a sharp black edge can appear when photocopying I have photocopies that actually show this.

So, that in itself is enought to show that the theory above cannot be correct.

Then there is the matter that, according to the TickerGuy in a video referenced, a color scanner will produce color artifacts around a scanned black character, and there are no color artifacts around the characters of scan 2, so this again demonstrates that the theory is not correct.

Wrong again. You know why? Because there are color artifacts. Next.

And there is still the matter of the 1 bit scanning for the 1064 and the grayscale scanning for the following 1, and the 1 bit scanning of the single letter in ukelele (shown in a previous post).

A scan of a photocopy of a document typed in the 60s. There are going to be artifacts. Artifacts.

So, have you got explanations?

Artifacts.

Can you give a theory of how the posted document was created that accounts for the lack of color fringing around the type, and the differences in the scanned characters (some b/w, some grayscale)?

See above.

You got to admit, this is a fun puzzle.

It is more like teaching calculus to a group of preschoolers.
 
Like I have written before. If the Presidents name were Barracus O'Bama and his dad was from Ireland none of this would have ever been an issue. There is something beneath the surface beyond just him being a Democrat that is motivating many of these people, but we dare not say it.


I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably incorrect. As noted upthread, Chester Arthur's "natural-born citizen" status was the subject of controversy in the 1880 election and afterward, including smear campaigns and fishing expeditions, because his father was from Ireland.


ETA: In fairness, however, I should point out that in late 19th-Century America there was undoubtedly more prejudice against the Irish than there is today.
 
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Neither OCR nor optimization generates clipping masks.

Clipping masks are what were found within the Obama birth cert.
 
Oh, hey, look what I found

So you found something *official* saying that it was policy not to issue a certified long form birth certificate. That doesn't mean THAT policy was not in violation of what Hawaiian law clearly states. It also means that contrary to what you earlier claimed with such authority, the Hawaiian government had no problem at all in changing policy ... "on a whim". :D
 
Oh, hey, look what I found:

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A letter dated May 15, 2001 (three years before Obama became a US senator, and seven years before he became president), from the then-director of the Hawaii Department of Health, announcing that "pursuant to statutory restrictions", only computer-generated abstract short form birth certificates would be issued, and photocopies would no longer be produced to satisfy requests for certified copies.

Just like I've been saying all along.

According to this article,
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292053

Although the policy of denying the public access to copies of long-form original hospital birth certificates was announced in 2001, it wasn't enforced for years. But with Trump's recent pointed questioning of the circumstances of Obama's birth – and whether he was even born in America – Hawaii officials have apparently determined that the long-overlooked state procedure now requires enforcement.

The president's supporters repeatedly have cited that policy as the reason why no other records of Obama's birth can be released but a computer-generated "Certification of Live Birth" document that was posted on the Internet during the 2008 campaign.

State officials also have cited the policy change as the reason they cannot release Obama's original long-form birth documentation, even though their own law specifies that the http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/histatutes/1/19/338/I/338-13

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/14/long-form-birth-certificates-were-available-until-trump-trumped-obama/, violates the state law. In any case, it was not followed for years, as confirmed by the testimony of many individuals who obtained their own original birth certificate records from the department.
 
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