New venue for TAM5?

Greetings,

I certainly understand that people may want to discuss other possible locations, and that they may wish to do some additional vacationing in conjunction with the trip to TAM.

All of your points are valid. I simply wanted to point out that the question that is being asked in the poll is certainly worded to gather responses that favor the opinion of the person that asked it.

Simply put, there appears to be no better place than Las Vegas when it comes to what is best for the event and JREF. I just think that information should be incorporated into any poll that is taken. Otherwise, the question is too one-sided--which I think is evident from the results at this point.

Lastly, the point that you brought up about JREF factoring in the sightseeing desires of the attendees is certainly valid. In fact, the way that you worded your statement certainly looks out for the best interest of the event and JREF (which is what I feel should be the highest priority), and I applaud your efforts.

However, in the original post (when the poll was first presented) the comment was, "I feel I've experienced most of what Las Vegas has to offer, during my non-Tam time." Even though such a view is certainly valid, it does not focus on the overall good for the event. It just saddens me to think that we would put our own personal wants ahead of what is best for the folks that are working so hard to provide such a great event.


Keep the change,
Rick
 
Rick Maue said:
In order for some other US city to match the price that is possible in Vegas (including airfare, hotel, meals, etc...), the attendees would have to give up a large number of the things that Vegas offers (including tremendous variety in regard to food, entertainment, activities, etc). And do not forget that Vegas also offers connections to some very influential people that assist in many ways with the event.
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What I like most about LV is that, once you get there, everything's there, close by. Unless you are going to the other end of the Strip, you can literally walk there - something that is anathema to Americans, but still...

And that's what I don't understand about those who say they mainly go to meet with people from here: If you want to spend time together, this is the place where you will get the most time together. No commute to and fro the conference center to some meeting place. We just walk a minute, and we're there. We can find each other, we won't be scattered all over town.

Rick Maue said:
My view is that if you want to go to TAM, go to it--and let it exist wherever it is best for JREF. If you are looking to go on vacation, that is something that can be done separately. After all, TAM is a fund-raising event for JREF, and also a great conference for rational thinkers. It is not supposed to be a travel club.
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Hear, hear.

Rick Maue said:
Even though such a view is certainly valid, it does not focus on the overall good for the event. It just saddens me to think that we would put our own personal wants ahead of what is best for the folks that are working so hard to provide such a great event.
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Hear, hear.

Rick Maue said:
Keep the change
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Can I have it in Danish KR? Cuz the dollar value sucks...
 
After all, TAM is a fund-raising event for JREF, and also a great conference for rational thinkers. It is not supposed to be a travel club.
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Agreed. But WE still have to plan and book 12 months out, and ransom the kids to pay for the airfare and the rest, and give up weeks of paid work, just to attend.

So we bloody well WILL make it a holiday if we're going to that much trouble!
 
Nyarlathotep said:
Besides, this bunch wil discuss ANYTHING to death.:)
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No, we won't.

Yes, we will.

No, we won't.

Yes, we will.

No, we won't.

Yes, we will.
 
Zep said:
OK, but it would be VERY nice to have this emanate(sp?) from the JREF office and show on the website. Don't have to have specific venues and schedules, etc, but just the comfort of knowing that if I book a non-refundable flight there now that I won't be left standing in the lobby of a Vegas hotel looking like a goof on my own while everyone else has gone off to Orlando or somewhere.

And if what you say IS so, what's the point of this thread?
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Zep, no one can say you aren't the skeptic. But in this thread Linda (who sets up and makes the TAM arrangements said:

We've already announced the dates for TAM4 are Jan. 26-29, but I wanted to add that the room rates at the Stardust will remain the same as they were for TAM3....$60 for weekdays and $90 for Friday and Saturday.
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And if Linda says it, then it's a lead-pipe chinch.

And just to reassure you, if for any reason (up to and including Jehovah doing a Sodom and Gomorrah act on Vegas) it is not in Vegas, I personally guarantee that I'll pay the cost of flying you round-trip from Vegas to the TAM4 site.

Note 1--I am dead serious about that.
Note 2--I am dead serious because I know I'll not have to pay.

So book the $%$^ ticket already! And if you come in to Las Vegas after I arrive, I will personaly pick you up at the airport--and I am serious about that too (ask Suez, Shanek, Eos, and Luciana)
 
Hutch said:
And if you come in to Las Vegas after I arrive, I will personaly pick you up at the airport--and I am serious about that too (ask Suez, Shanek, Eos, and Luciana)
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And Brown, he'll vouch for this, too! Seriously, I was very impressed by Hutch's generosity with his time and money (he rented a van) in helping transport people from the airport.
 
Brown said:
And Brown, he'll vouch for this, too! Seriously, I was very impressed by Hutch's generosity with his time and money (he rented a van) in helping transport people from the airport.
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Hey, I had an ulterior motive (just because I have an innocent-looking face doesn't mean I can't be as devious as rebecca....:D )
It was one sure way to meet people, because I tend to be extraordinary shy in crowds and clam up completely at parties, so knowing a few key people (is there anything Luciana and Eos didn't get involved in?) helped get me involved.

Plus, when you got it, flaunt it!! ;) ;) ;)
 
BTW, I'm happy to see the vote is currently 78% in favor of changing the venue.

And several posters have even posted concrete alternatives. The exploration of America via JREF seems within bounds.

Keep those votes coming!
 
Hutch said:
Zep, no one can say you aren't the skeptic. But in this thread Linda (who sets up and makes the TAM arrangements said:

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And if Linda says it, then it's a lead-pipe chinch.

And just to reassure you, if for any reason (up to and including Jehovah doing a Sodom and Gomorrah act on Vegas) it is not in Vegas, I personally guarantee that I'll pay the cost of flying you round-trip from Vegas to the TAM4 site.

Note 1--I am dead serious about that.
Note 2--I am dead serious because I know I'll not have to pay.

So book the $%$^ ticket already! And if you come in to Las Vegas after I arrive, I will personaly pick you up at the airport--and I am serious about that too (ask Suez, Shanek, Eos, and Luciana)
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Yep! 'Tis good! I only just saw Linda's post here, which is highly reassuring. I might just check if it is on the main website though - that's where I was thinking of when I said "showing on the website" (not all visitors to JREF go forum-browsing).

No, don't make bets you can't cover! :) Although the Hutch Cab Service sounds great. An excellent point to note in the itinerary. [scribbles on piece of paper]


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I've just PM'd Linda to make the above suggestion.
 
Zep said:
Yep! 'Tis good! I only just saw Linda's post here, which is highly reassuring. I might just check if it is on the main website though - that's where I was thinking of when I said "showing on the website" (not all visitors to JREF go forum-browsing).

No, don't make bets you can't cover! :) Although the Hutch Cab Service sounds great. An excellent point to note in the itinerary. [scribbles on piece of paper]


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I've just PM'd Linda to make the above suggestion.
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Hutch is a great guy, despite the fact that he works in the arms industry.;)
 
I voted Vegas. Firstly because I love LV, secondly because where else in the US are you going to be able to have a 500+ person convention yet only pay $60 for a hotel room? Fargo? Omaha? LV is the best bang for the buck. From talking to some TAM attendees they don't have a lot of money to spend on travel so it's best to keep it somewhere with good air connections and reasonably priced.
 
TriangleMan said:
I voted Vegas. Firstly because I love LV, secondly because where else in the US are you going to be able to have a 500+ person convention yet only pay $60 for a hotel room? Fargo? Omaha? LV is the best bang for the buck. From talking to some TAM attendees they don't have a lot of money to spend on travel so it's best to keep it somewhere with good air connections and reasonably priced.
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While I empathize with your love for LV, I paid something like the double of "$60 per night" for my room. And if the price of a single room is too steep, there are lots of possibilities for co-bunking.

Seriously, the price of a room cannot possibly be the deciding factor.
 
DanishDynamite said:
While I empathize with your love for LV, I paid something like the double of "$60 per night" for my room.
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(Psst...perhaps you should tell people why you paid that much.... ;))
 
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