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Moon Hoax conspiracy

I can't believe that people still fall for the faked moon landing story.

The fact that it took place during the Nixon administration does make the case for fraud plausible.

I think the Soviets would have been in a perfect position to expose the fraud, however.

Were we supposed to have paid them off?
 
Mr. Richardson.

There are a large number of debunks all over the net regarding the "moon hoax conspiracy". Many of which are by people from Nasa, or experts in their fields.

Yet you would give substantially more weight to a video that proposes it was all false. No experts invovled, no real examination of claims. Every reason to lie and make it sensational.

It's clear you have watched said video, and made up your mind, and now are not going to let facts get in the way of your brilliant ideas.

Why anyone with an intelligent mind would be so willing to embrace those ideas is beyond me. EVERY SINGLE CLAIM BY MOON HOAXERS HAS BEEN THOUROUGLY DEBUNKED BY EXPERTS. *EVERY* *SINGLE* *ONE*.

It's clear you are just a typical CT type. Enthralled with the idea of a world where there are all kinds of secrets and black projects and evil people pulling strings behind the scenes. This is not uncommon, it seems to fill some kind of void for some people. People who can't accept the world as being the simple, mundane place it really is. People who simply must have the world be more exciting and crazy than it really is.

Regardless, you came into this board under completely false pretenses. You acted as if you were just some ordinary joe with questions. You threw out the Van Allen radiation thing, and then, when it was shown to be false, you just ignored it completely and moved on. Another sign of the CT mind. Just move from one claim to another, to another. And yet you have the balls to accuse others of dishonesty and lying. Why did you feel it necessary to present yourself in a different light than reality? Did you hope it was going to make your arugments carry more weight? Did you think it may make it appear that even regular every day joes see this and think something is wrong?

You also showed your true colors in your exchange with Kookbreaker. You saw an opening to discredit him, and jumped into it with head first. When on the "wrong" side of an issue, people will often do exactly what you did here because they percieve some level of "victory" there. It's important to you to find some victory, somewhere, to help bolster your own belief. Then you end up threating to ignore him over it. That was insanely childish, and the equivalient of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "NYAH NYAH NYAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".

You are not fooling anyone. You are a complete CT type, not some innocent fellow with questions. It's clear you have decided it was all faked, and you are not going to be convinced otherwise. You will ignore all evidence to the contrary, and keep making claim after claim, without backing them up. You will also end up becoming more and more hostile to everyone and putting more and more on ignore. This is obvious to anyone who has watched your type before.

If you really want to learn, you need to read up on this subject more, and realize that the "hoaxed moon landings" are a complete and utter farce. They are fantasy land stuff. Complete lunacy (excuse the pun).
 
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess
You feel the need to limit the discussion to American endevours?

OK,Apollo 1, three dead
Apollo 13 near disaster

So out of 17 missions and 51 astronauts and 3 dead, 3 nearly killed.

Space travel was then and still is now a very dangerous endevour.

Have you read through the clavius site yet?

I assure you he has no intention of reading the clavius site or any other link, evidence, or other references we provide. That is not the nature of the game...or haven't you figured that out yet?

Quite correct.
For someone who was "just curious" he shows a deep seated reluctance to actually delve into any reference that will educate him on any matter unless he knows it already will have the base position that Apollo missions were faked.

So how about those dead astronauts ER. Its been mentioned a few times now. Do not go saying you were refering only to the 6 missions that went to the Moon because that just artificially chooses a special subset upon which to base your conclusions. You cannot exclude dead Russians and you must include those who died on the launch pad. If you must put your false limits to the set then why include the shuttle mission dead? None of them were in space when they died.

There are thousands of automobile crashes every year. However I can easily find 6 people who have not been involved in so much as a fender bender since they bought their newest vehicle. I live in a town of 15,000 people and it would be very easy to find a six day period in which there are no automobile accidents. Automobiles have been getting better and better technology for decades including better and more responsive steering and brakes that allow one to continue to steer while braking hard.(With my first car, a 1966 Rambler American when one hit the brakes in a panic stop it was a crap shoot where the car would go as all four drum brakes locked the wheels) Therefore I must conclude that the reports of thousands of accidents on today's roads must be in error.
 
So how about those dead astronauts ER. Its been mentioned a few times now. Do not go saying you were refering only to the 6 missions that went to the Moon because that just artificially chooses a special subset upon which to base your conclusions. You cannot exclude dead Russians and you must include those who died on the launch pad. If you must put your false limits to the set then why include the shuttle mission dead? None of them were in space when they died.
ah yes, even more lies from ER

(boy it sure is fun to frivolously accuse people of lying, now i know why the CTers love it so much)
 
I would just like to point out the OP since he's very fond of accusing others of lying.

Also of ignoring his/her original post.
How about them Van Allen belts, eh? Those belts that were so compelling that you've completely ignored any commentary on your original post?

Sadly typical of the CT Hazing Post Requirement: "I must get in 25 posts on JREF or I will not be eligible to be part of the Iota Delta Iota Omega Alpha house".

Get you to Clavius, if you dare.
 
Hey Quad! Watch it. You'll be glad you did.

Every single video that has been suggested to me to watch by CFs because it will "open my eyes" have been the worst atrocities ever produced by man. No credible sources cited or used, speculation, deception, and outright LIES are what these woo videos have been filled with. What makes your moon hoax CT trash any different from the other bogus ct movies?
 
So they had a heat pump that was battery operated. Same difference.

Are you claiming that a pump to circulate water through the piping could not be provide by batteries?

Otherwise, huge difference between that and your "air conditioning unit".
 
I can't believe that people still fall for the faked moon landing story.

The fact that it took place during the Nixon administration does make the case for fraud plausible.

I think the Soviets would have been in a perfect position to expose the fraud, however.

Were we supposed to have paid them off?

Yes. Not only the Soviets but also any other engineers, and there would be many, and a lot of other folks inolved in the program who might have blown the whistle on the hoax.

See it's easy. :)
 
Hey, I have already schooled these guys. They are lying, making up debunks, saying ludicrous things like "theres no temperature in space" etc.

You can always give me a hand. I'll watch that movie later. Thanks for the link.
It does appear there are a few more places where there are perfect vacuums...
 
Mr. Richardson.

There are a large number of debunks all over the net regarding the "moon hoax conspiracy". Many of which are by people from Nasa, or experts in their fields.

Yet you would give substantially more weight to a video that proposes it was all false. No experts invovled, no real examination of claims. Every reason to lie and make it sensational.

It's clear you have watched said video, and made up your mind, and now are not going to let facts get in the way of your brilliant ideas.

Why anyone with an intelligent mind would be so willing to embrace those ideas is beyond me. EVERY SINGLE CLAIM BY MOON HOAXERS HAS BEEN THOUROUGLY DEBUNKED BY EXPERTS. *EVERY* *SINGLE* *ONE*.

It's clear you are just a typical CT type. Enthralled with the idea of a world where there are all kinds of secrets and black projects and evil people pulling strings behind the scenes. This is not uncommon, it seems to fill some kind of void for some people. People who can't accept the world as being the simple, mundane place it really is. People who simply must have the world be more exciting and crazy than it really is.

Regardless, you came into this board under completely false pretenses. You acted as if you were just some ordinary joe with questions. You threw out the Van Allen radiation thing, and then, when it was shown to be false, you just ignored it completely and moved on. Another sign of the CT mind. Just move from one claim to another, to another. And yet you have the balls to accuse others of dishonesty and lying. Why did you feel it necessary to present yourself in a different light than reality? Did you hope it was going to make your arugments carry more weight? Did you think it may make it appear that even regular every day joes see this and think something is wrong?

You also showed your true colors in your exchange with Kookbreaker. You saw an opening to discredit him, and jumped into it with head first. When on the "wrong" side of an issue, people will often do exactly what you did here because they percieve some level of "victory" there. It's important to you to find some victory, somewhere, to help bolster your own belief. Then you end up threating to ignore him over it. That was insanely childish, and the equivalient of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "NYAH NYAH NYAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".

You are not fooling anyone. You are a complete CT type, not some innocent fellow with questions. It's clear you have decided it was all faked, and you are not going to be convinced otherwise. You will ignore all evidence to the contrary, and keep making claim after claim, without backing them up. You will also end up becoming more and more hostile to everyone and putting more and more on ignore. This is obvious to anyone who has watched your type before.

If you really want to learn, you need to read up on this subject more, and realize that the "hoaxed moon landings" are a complete and utter farce. They are fantasy land stuff. Complete lunacy (excuse the pun).

Well stated.

Nominated.
 
No the air conditioning is in reference to thier suits and they did have an airconditioning system in them that was battery operated. Please quote me where i mentioned the LEM



They were only on the moon's surface for 2 1/2 hours. The rest of the time they relied on the LEM's life support system. Rather than an air conditioning system, the PLSS had a water pump and pumped water through the Liquid Cooling and Ventilation Garment.

Very little battery power would be required to maintain such a system for 2 1/2 hours.

-Gumboot
 
The fact that it took place during the Nixon administration does make the case for fraud plausible.

I think the Soviets would have been in a perfect position to expose the fraud, however.

Were we supposed to have paid them off?
No, the Nixon administration was hardly involved at all. The quest for the Moon was essentially an LBJ operation. Started in earnest with JFK, and then really kicked into high gear when he was assassinated.

Apollo 8, with Borman and Lovell and Anders, orbited the Moon in December 1968. That had the Command and Service Modules, no Lunar Module. Nixon was still not in the White House, although he'd won the election. He'd only been in office 6 months when Apollo 11 did its giant leap for mankind thang.
 
To be fair, Dark Side of the Moon is a jokey "mockumentary" poking fun at moon landing hoaxes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(documentary)

The film is not presented as reality or anything. So his "you'll be glad you did" was meant sincerely, as in the debunkers here would enjoy its skewering of the subject.

DavidWong, I'm slightly miffed that you spoiled, but I guess it doesn't matter. Nobody here was actually going to watch it! Just call it "woo crap" and such.

Now, DW (I think) joins me in saying; everybody here should see this French art mockumentary of moon hoax documentaries. It really is quite fun, and you, after watching it and enjoying it yourself, can then sling the link to your favorite moon hoax believer, and watch them woo out.

It's 52 minutes, it's fun, and Kubrick fans will love it. Make some popcorn and relax.

Oh well, I tried. Thanks DW. I'm actually quite shocked that everybody here hasn't seen it already. It's right up this forum's alley. :cool:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3288261061829859642
 
Hey, I have already schooled these guys. They are lying, making up debunks, saying ludicrous things like "theres no temperature in space" etc.

You can always give me a hand. I'll watch that movie later. Thanks for the link.

Temperature is a quality of matter. Please take a couse in thermo dynamics, it will clear up so many of your mistakes and you will not look like quite such an idiot.
 
Hi ER. There's been some banter back and forth in this thread about who may or may not need an astronomy class. As it turns out, I am an astronomer, as my nick indicates. And if you're really willing to listen and learn about this topic, I can point out a couple of facts that prove -- absolutely, without any shadow of any doubt -- that we have been to the moon and back. I'm also comfortably certain that I can answer any questions you may have that cause you to believe the Apollo landings were hoaxed.

Are you willing to discuss it? Or is that not the point of your posting here?
 

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