Grizzly Bear
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WrongThe point here is, the weight would NOT be applied to the floor,
Wrong, it would be both actually. Once the columns give the floors below were involved regardless.it would be applied to the exterior columns as the falling floor came in contact with them.
The rest of you analogy ignores the point.
The NIST hypothesis requires the weight of the falling top section being applied to the floor.
That is NOT what happened.
Wrong again... see above. And you ignored this
Once the collapse initiates and falls one story it is traveling at 9 meters per second. If we crush the collapsing story into rubble half a meter thick and stop the collapse at that point, what kind of dynamic load should we expect?
The velocity decreases from 9 m/s to 0 m/s in half a meter, or about 1/18 of a second. As the mass decelerates the velocity decreases and the average velocity is half the initial. The crush time is 1/9 of a second, and we get an acceleration of -9 m/s/s divided by 1/9 of a second = -81 m/s/s
The dynamic load is 8 times that of the load at rest.
Let me ask, are you able to carry eight times your own weight?
For the north tower alone the dynamic load wasn't that of 10 stories, it was more like 80 stories, Like adding almost the entire height of the building to the impact region and subsequent floors underneath. South tower had almost 30 stories... that's something more like adding an extra 240 floors worth of dynamic load rather than the static 30. At those parts of the tower why I really don't expect them to have been designed for such ridiculously high loads. When buildings are constructed they're done so as efficiently as possible, over designing wastes money, and frankly building materials. And in reality likelihoods are that the dynamic loads were much higher, since the impact regions both involved several floors at once. Connections that hold the structure together aren't gonna stop it.
That might be an indication to change you "hypothesis"In your never ending quest to deny the statements of the witnesses, you ask questions that cannot be answered.
If we applied his analogy literally with a direct reference to the actual art piece, I see nothing of the sort indicating anything what you're inserting into his statement. If you're so confused then try asking him for once. His later conclusions certainly cleared any confusion that might have come from it.I understand the context perfectly. He was comparing girders in the overpass, which had failed but were not melted[turned into liquid]with the girders he had seen at the WTC which had turned to liquid.
I read and quoted the article. He did NOT analyze the collapse, only airplane impacts.
Just the air plane impacts? Let's review the article:
Astaneh's presentation included computerized animations of planes hitting the towers. Using $270,000 software, each sequence showed a plane hitting first a realistic version of a tower and then the plane hitting a reinforced building.
With thicker beams, the animation showed the planes disintegrating almost immediately after hitting the tower. In contrast, the airliners punched through the unreinforced exterior with little resistance.
"Like a knife cutting through soft butter," Astaneh said. "Airplanes are not very strong, but this building was even weaker than an airplane."
New York building codes would have prevented the towers' flimsy design, he said, but federal laws allowed engineers to ignore those codes. The same exception has been granted to developers of New York's Freedom Tower, which will replace the World Trade Center.
Are you sure that his study was only about the plane impacts? Looks to me like there was some extensive study on how the construction was done and how it catalyzed the conditions for collapse.
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