Molten Steel

[Minadin]

Your condescending attitude is just an attempt to declare yourself superior. You are not. You are just an anonymous poster with a snotty attitude on a very biased forum.

Chris -

I'll apologize for the perception of 'snotty attitude' - I get that way sometimes when people say things like 'money is no object' when they are talking about mis-appropriating my funds - if you'll go ahead and read and respond to the rest of my post about why you don't have the right to do what you please with taxpayer resources.

Thanks.

 

[Christopher7]

Video tapes were never "withheld".

Where are they?

You are dodging the point.

None of the 100s of thousands of eyewitnesses report seeing things that weren't in the news at the time and we can't watch on YouTube today.

Wrong! Many of the first responders describe explosions just before and during the collapses. Several people describe 3 large explosions.

Many of us are New Yorkers. I am. We saw stuff and know others that saw other stuff. Nobody reports man-made demolition.

You are an anonymous poster. Have your friends go public or stop making baseless anonymous claims.

You are parroting the government cover story. You are trying to protect the government by implying all the witnesses could not have heard explosives.

There is more than enough witness testimony to warrent testing for explosive residue.

 

[Christopher7]

Chris -
I'll apologize for the perception of 'snotty attitude'

Thank you for the apology.

I get that way sometimes when people say things like 'money is no object' when they are talking about mis-appropriating my funds

I think you concern for money is unjustified in this case. NIST spent 20 million dollars [or something like that]. The cost of testing for explosives would not be significant in an investigation of this magnitude. This was the crime of the century and money should definately not be an object.

if you'll go ahead and read and respond to the rest of my post about why you don't have the right to do what you please with taxpayer resources.

Thanks.

The rest of your post is just more snotty condecending diversion. Basically you imply it would have been too expensive to test for explosives. This is not true.
In investigations of mass murder, money is no object.
Your trying to say that otherwise is ludicrous.

 

[dtugg]

Wow, Chris is still holding on to the pathetic wish that videos that haven't been released recorded the extremely loud booms necessarily for his ridiculous fantasies. Still much too delusional to realize that such loud noises would be present on the video tracks of every single video recording and heard by many, many people miles and miles away. Only in twoofer fantasyland is does it make sense for evil cabals to super secret controlled demolitions in the most denseley populated area in the country while on live TV.

Hey Chris, in fantasyland, how did your magical silent explosive and magical super duper nano therm*te devices survive the aircraft impacts and fires? I mean you do realize that the collapses stated right where the planes impacted, right? Does simply assuming that the devices were magical and have whatever properties necessary for the fantasy to work relieve your cognitive dissonance?

 

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NIST reply to stj911truth
http://www.911proof.com/NIST.pdf
pg 3
NIST carried its analysis to the point where the buildings reached global instability.
NIST did not conduct tests for explosive residue.

pg 4
We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.
NIST has stated that it did not analyze the collapse of the towers.
NIST’s analysis was carried to the point of collapse initiation.

They started with a conclusion and tried to get the evidence to fit that conclusion. They did NOT explain the total collapse of the trade towers and they hand waved the witness reports of explosions.

Did you read the FAQ for dummies at the NIST website?
And no, their work is not to collect testimonies from everyone.

About 100 of those first responders said there were explosions and some equated them to a CD. To ignore them and not even investigate the possibility of explosives is a whitewash.

Another lie.
They ***heard*** explosions, and nobody of them said explicitly it was a controlled demolition. Your logic has major flaws: they hear explosions, so it is a bomb, so if it is a bomb, it was planted by some agency, so it is an inside job? Duh.

(Nice to provide stuff for my crackpot index, BTW)

The Bush administration systematically distorted scientific documents http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=technology&res=9A00E2DD133DF93AA25751C0A9629C8B63

Two major flaws: the article was written in 2004, and the scientists said that Bush administrations faked reports on "the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry at home and abroad". 9/11 doesn't fit in these subjects.

The Bush administration lied us into a war in Iraq.

blah blah blah, that's why none of the hijackers were Iraqis...

They have no credibility yet you believe this report.

Who is "they"?

You are staunchly defending my government.

Another major flaw of your logic: "debunkers disagree with you, so they are Bush supporters". I don't have any word to qualify this nonsense.

 

[Christopher7]

Wow, Chris is still holding on to the pathetic wish that videos that haven't been released recorded the extremely loud booms necessarily for his ridiculous fantasies.

Are you saying all the witnesses didn't hear explosives? The people who heard 3 large explosions are lying just because the few videos we have didn't record them or had the bass rolled off? Try taking any of the half dozen videos we have access to. Run them thru a good sterio and turn the bass up.

You can hear a big explosion on this one at 1:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQWz7xlINA&feature=related

This one has loud booms partly covered by the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYHPGdIzueA&feature=related

 

[dtugg]

Are you saying all the witnesses didn't hear explosives? The people who heard 3 large explosions are lying just because the few videos we have didn't record them or had the bass rolled off? Try taking any of the half dozen videos we have access to. Run them thru a good sterio and turn the bass up. Nothing happens because all the lows are gone.

Nobody heard explosives. Explosions don't equal explosives. Other things explode besides explosives. And have you learned what a simile is yet? I bet you cannot find one person that maintains that what they heard was explosives.

And sorry, don't buy your pathetic fantasy land lie that sounds were edited out. I guess lying is OK so long as it's for The Truth^TM. Right? Is that how you justify it?

And besides, I was actually there, about a mile a way, so I don't even need to rely on any videos or other eyewitnesses. If there were the huge amount of explosives necessary for your ridiculous fantasies, it would have been loud as hell and unmistakable. It didn't happen.

Anyway, notice you ignored the part where you were asked to explain how your magical silent explosives and magical super duper therm*te devices survived the crash and fires. Haven't thought up a fantasy to explain that away yet? Better hurry up before the cognitive dissonance makes you uncomfortable!

 

[dtugg]

You can hear a big explosion on this one at 1:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQWz7xlINA&feature=related

What big explosion? All I hear is the tower collapsing. And it sounds nothing like explosive charges. I'm sure the second is the same so didn't bother watching.

 

[TheDaver]

I see that C7 has expanded the number of people whose words he uses in telling his lies.

Seeing how he calls everybody liars, I have to wonder how they managed to cram the 9/11 CT crap into his head in the first place.…

Your calling someone a liar is a joke. I am saying there were a hundred or so witnesses who said they heard and/or saw explosions. That is the truth and you are the liar.

No, it’s not the truth, it’s hearsay.

My firefighter? Please, you constantly try to say the witnesses are 'my' witnesses in an attempt to discredit them by calling me a liar. They are the witnesses.

There is no such attempt to discredit you nor is there any need. You discredit yourself by taking witnesses’ accounts as objective fact.

There are nearly 7,000 video clips we haven't seen so stop saying there are no videos that captured the sounds of explosions.

Fine, how about, “There are no videos that we know of that captured the sounds of explosions”?

That is one possibility.

You will never admit the other possibility.

What all those witnesses heard could have been explosives.

The fact that you won't even acknowledge that is very telling.

Yes. Specifically, that he’s still in touch with reality.

 

[Christopher7]

I am saying there were a hundred or so witnesses who said they heard and/or saw explosions. That is the truth

No, it’s not the truth, it’s hearsay.

You call all witness statements hearsay and use that as an excuse to ignore them.
You are perfectly safe in your denial. Nothing can get thru your pro-government filter.

You discredit yourself by taking witnesses’ accounts as objective fact.

You are intentionally misquoting me. I said there was enough evidence to warrant testing for explosive residue.

Fine, how about, “There are no videos that we know of that captured the sounds of explosions”?

How about listening to this one closely.

At 1:22 there is an explosion, everyone starts screaming, the camera pans to the south tower, and then you hear the continuous rumble of the collapsing building.
The explosion is a separate sound and could not be part of a continuous bunch of floors collapsing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQWz7xlINA&feature=related

Since explosions are very low frequency, it is necessary to listen on a good stereo and crank up the bass. There is a 2 second separation between the initial explosion and the rumble of the building collapsing.

 

[Cuddles]

This thead has grown rather long and has therefore been closed. Please continue the discussion in this thread.

Also, please keep the continuation thread free of the off-topic discussions about explosives and other subjects that have come up in the last few pages.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles