[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

[Hokulele]

I would like to add a side note after having caught up with the last 5 pages.

Japanese history as taught in the schoolroom as well as presented in official government documentation and historical monuments do admit to a large number of their war-time atrocities (such as the Rape of Nanking). There are certain political factions currently active that are trying to rewrite history. Fortunately, mainstream Japan allows them to speak, but does not give their ideas credence.

In addition, I would like to note that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was not their only incursion into the USA. Read up on the Alaskan islands of Attu and Kiska.

 

[Belz...]

No, your question seems to have a malicious intent.

A "malicious" intent ? Well, thanks.

 

[bynmdsue]

So, what is your native language? Do you read right to left?

I read everything very differently from you, that is for sure.

Oh Snap!

Good Burn,tarrou.

 

[tarrou]

Only one?

Well, if you bring some samples from one of your coffee shops, I might be able to upgrade the package to a six pack - plus a guided tour to our most beloved national symbol; The Little Mermaid!!!!

 

[Belz...]

For those interested there was a brilliant film call Der Untertag made about Hitler's last 10 days. Won a few awards a couple of years ago. It is largely drawn from testimony of Hitler's private secretary. Incredibly well done film, best watched in the German with subtitles. (And I am very bitchy about historical movies, I can count the ones I like on one hand, and before any foolish questions, no I didn't care for Schindler's List).

You mean "Downfall" ? I own it on DVD. It's a very, very good movie. I especially like how completely detached from reality Hitler was.

It's a good movie to watch in a marathon, just after "Saving Private Ryan" and before "Nuremberg".

 

[twinstead]

In addition, I would like to note that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was not their only incursion into the USA. Read up on the Alaskan islands of Attu and Kiska.

Ah, the often overlooked exploits of the 301st Independent Infantry Battalion of Japan's Northern Army.

 

[Bell]

Well, if you bring some samples from one of your coffee shops, I might be able to upgrade the package to a six pack - plus a guided tour to our most beloved national symbol; The Little Mermaid!!!!

Ah, cappucino!

 

[Belz...]

How clever Elizabeth! It's amazing that this real fleet traveling from across the planet was never detected by the US radar system when even Australia warned the US about the Japanese fleet heading to Pearl Harbor? I guess the US never did anything to provoke Japan into attacking?

So, you're a Pearl Harbor CTer, after all ? Is there ANY revisionist history you don't buy into ?

Which they did. Which also doesn't mean the Nazis gassed a ton of Jews in gas chambers alive.

It seems NOTHING to you can possibly mean that, no matter how much evidence piles up. You ARE aware of the phrase "reasonable doubt", right ?

It must be a great feeling to know when the US does anything it's because they are "liberating" countries. I guess building military bases in foreign countries is for their "protection".

Just about as much as concentration camps in foreing countries were there to prevent typhus epidemics.

 

[twinstead]

Ah, cappucino!

 

[Elizabeth I]

I would like to add a side note after having caught up with the last 5 pages.

Japanese history as taught in the schoolroom as well as presented in official government documentation and historical monuments do admit to a large number of their war-time atrocities (such as the Rape of Nanking). There are certain political factions currently active that are trying to rewrite history. Fortunately, mainstream Japan allows them to speak, but does not give their ideas credence.

In addition, I would like to note that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was not their only incursion into the USA. Read up on the Alaskan islands of Attu and Kiska.

Hokulele, your posts are always so calm and authoritative. Thanks.

 

[Bell]

I have this theory that humans are capable of much more evil than you think they are.

Exactly my point.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Just for once, could you please make a clear, declarative, positive statement? This is twisted to the point of incomprehensibility.

It is dishonest to quote half of a conversation and declare that it is incomprehensible.

 

[Belz...]

It is simply just not acceptable. 'Der Untergang' wants me to accept Hitler, and i say 'No!' Still, my eyes are open!

Have you even seen the movie ? It depicts Hitler as a maniac psychopath.

 

[Hokulele]

Hokulele, your posts are always so calm and authoritative. Thanks.

Thanks.

I must say, I have enjoyed your contributions so far as well.

 

[Belz...]

I will still stick with what Oliver Wendall Holmes said in the supreme court decision. You are welcome to the opinions of others.

Of course you will! Why switch to reality when you can just pick your own truths??

 

[Matthew Best]

Sorry!

What I am trying to say is this:

1. Hitler was a human being [sic].
2. To analyze hitler as a 'normal human being' is futile and dangerous.
3. 'Der untergang' portraits Hitler as a human being just like you and me.

Incidentally, I disagree with your point 3.

If you see something of yourself in the portrayal of Hitler in that movie, I'm baffled.

 

[Belz...]

When it's the perspective from the Japanese side it's "revisionism", but when it's the word of the US government it's "official".

Yeah, because one follows the facts and the other doesn't.

Do you honestly believe Pearl Harbor was a "surprise"? The US despite being the dominant country in this world sure seems to have a lot of "oops" moments.

Argument from personal incredulity. The USA are not invincible. 9/11 is proof of that. Pearl Harbor is proof of that.

If Americans are still boasting about using it again or that Japan deserved to be nuked then we still have a long ways to go.

???

I'm sure you're smart enough to know about the controversy over Pearl Harbor and know where to look.

Controversy <> Reality

A few dissident nutjobs < Controversy

I've never heard of a country that managed to secretly invade a country without them knowing it. Has a "surprise" invasion of another country ever happened anytime else?

We call those "surprise attacks" for a reason.

Oh I see Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier another darling of Holocaust promoters who was a member of the French resistance.

The French, who got their asses kicked by the Germans. She possibly didn't have a bone to pick with the Germans including some of her seemingly exaggerated claims and ambiguous descriptions of the gassing.

Aside from witnesses whom YOU think support your idea, are there any reliable witnesses. SHE WAS THERE. You weren't. Thousands of people reported these horrific acts, man. What the hell makes you so sure they didn't happen ?

The Kapo were prison guards picked by the SS and mostly consisted of Jewish men. The Jewish Kapos had access to brothels and were often more brutal then the SS.

Well! That makes it alright, then!

 

[Belz...]

Some believe that Hitler was not human but superhuman; or at least a superhuman personality.

"Some", meaning "MaGZ" ?

 

[kageki]

I think the number of Indians in North America at the time of the White conquest was the same number of Indians that are alive today.

I think that's a horrible propaganda lie we've been told. Columbus alone is responsible for how many dead?

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were dead.

Is that true? 5 million dead in 3 years sounds like the Holocaust to me.

I really wonder how many Native Americans actually died as a consequence of a brutal takeover by Europeans? I heard a Native American fellow on the radio the other day mentioning there was 40 million at the the time of conquest down to under a million. I also like to know if that is true.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

A "malicious" intent ? Well, thanks.

You are welcome.