[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

[Garb]

Get off your soap box.

You keep repeating this over and over as we tell you over and over that we are not withholding anything.

We are compiling the info and it will be released as soon as possible.

Get on with it!!!

Twenty bucks says they decide that the information is "too good" for us.

 

[JFM]

Trip, on screw loose.

"Bottom line.......Lloyd's highly referrenced and extremely important account is a lie.

Do you or do you not agree with this Russell?"


So witnesses that don't agree are what exactly

 

[Skibum]

By the time the "evidence" is finally released there will have been so many accusations of manipulation that the "evidence" will be dismissed without even a second thought.

"hey, check out this new presentation"

"psht, why should I? All I've heard about it is that it was a manipulated interview."

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Get off your soap box.

You keep repeating this over and over as we tell you over and over that we are not withholding anything.

We are compiling the info and it will be released as soon as possible.

Main Entry: with·hold
Pronunciation: with-'hOld, wi[th]-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): with·held /-'held/; -hold·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from with from + holden to hold -- more at WITH
transitive verb
1 : to hold back from action : CHECK
2 archaic : to keep in custody
3 : to refrain from granting, giving, or allowing <withhold permission>
4 : to deduct (withholding tax) from income
intransitive verb : FORBEAR, REFRAIN <withhold from commenting>
synonym see KEEP
- with·hold·er noun

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/withholding

 

[Kent1]

Powerful? Yea this is getting worse by the moment.
I think I'll just wait until these guys finally produce something

 

[chipmunk stew]

Get off your soap box.

You keep repeating this over and over as we tell you over and over that we are not withholding anything.

We are compiling the info and it will be released as soon as possible.

The most honest thing to do is release it raw and uncompiled.

You can always release your compiled version as a stand-alone analysis, but it gives others the opportunity to examine the evidence directly.

 

[Skibum]

The most honest thing to do is release it raw and uncompiled.

Why on earth would they do that? Theres stuff in there they don't want you to see.

 

[T.A.M.]

The most honest thing to do is release it raw and uncompiled.

You can always release your compiled version as a stand-alone analysis, but it gives others the opportunity to examine the evidence directly.

Now you have hit the nail on the head. They won't release the data now, because they fear that if someone else gets access to it, who can really analyze it, for what it is, than it will blow up in their faces. What other reason could they have for not allowing the scientific community at large access to this ground breaking data, to allow a free, totally independent invetsig...I mean analysis.

TAM

 

[Bell]

I think I'll just wait until these guys finally produce something

Dude! That's grose!

 

[Dog Town]

This is all about being the new "IT" in the troof movement! Nothing more nothing less. Trying to force their way into LC, is their plan B, I would guess!
The funny thing is seeing the reaction from his target audience. The other conspiraloon boards don't seem to care much, if they do it is blind ignorance, or Russells reaction. Everywhere the same, you gotta wait, we'll blow this wide open! *snicker* Why do you spam other boards, and post a couple hundred posts here, counting your sidekick? Get to work!

 

[Pardalis]

Ahem...

 

[chipmunk stew]

Now you have hit the nail on the head. They won't release the data now, because they fear that if someone else gets access to it, who can really analyze it, for what it is, than it will blow up in their faces. What other reason could they have for not allowing the scientific community at large access to this ground breaking data, to allow a free, totally independent invetsig...I mean analysis.

TAM

Well, they've come of age during the Bush, Jr. years. Perhaps they've unconsciously picked up some of Dubya's bad habits.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Now you have hit the nail on the head. They won't release the data now, because they fear that if someone else gets access to it, who can really analyze it, for what it is, than it will blow up in their faces. What other reason could they have for not allowing the scientific community at large access to this ground breaking data, to allow a free, totally independent invetsig...I mean analysis.

TAM

Based on the book "The Demon Haunted World: Science as a candle in the dark" published by Headline 1996.


The following are suggested as tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent arguments:




* Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts
* Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
* Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
* Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
* Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.
* Quantify, wherever possible.
* If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
* "Occam's razor" - if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
*Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html

 

[TheGrunion]

I've been away for a bit, had a ton of catching up to do in this thread.

Wow! A revisiting of the topic that singlehandedly caused the LC forums to self destruct and reboot! I can't wait to see what (if anything) gets presented. Hopefully it addresses how on earth the lightpole damage could have been staged without detection.

Seems like the last desperate gasps of a dying "movement" to me.

 

[Dog Town]

I've been away for a bit, had a ton of catching up to do in this thread.

Wow! A revisiting of the topic that singlehandedly caused the LC forums to self destruct and reboot! I can't wait to see what (if anything) gets presented. Hopefully it addresses how on earth the lightpole damage could have been staged without detection.

Seems like the last desperate gasps of a dying "movement" to me.

So something good did come out of this! I was not aware, this was the destructive force, behind the LC CD! Brillliant! Way to go Craigee, you go boi!

 

[JFM]

Trip on screw loose


"Here is a scenario that I have speculated:

The orginal poles were removed in the middle of the night before and it was made to look like normal maintenance.

Pre-damaged poles were placed in the less conspicuous areas perhaps an hour before the event.

Lloyd, his cab, and the pole that allegedly hit it were placed just at/during the moment of impact by the "silent friend" in the van that allegedly helped him "remove" the pole from his cab.

No big deal for the richest, most skilled, most deceptive covert intelligence organization in the world to pull off in their own backyard that's for sure."

 

[BJS]

In the pasted opening LC post by Lyte, he links to 2 pictures supporting his assertion that the hood of the car was undamaged. Look more carefully at the 2nd picture. The large white spot on the hood is not a reflection but actually a large damaged area where the black paint is scratched off. You can see the top of the windshield/roofline in the reflection, and this white spot on the hood is above it, so not a reflection of the windshield.

Lyte, will you take back you constant repeating that "hood wasn't even scratched?"

 

[Hellbound]

Trip on screw loose


"Here is a scenario that I have speculated:

The orginal poles were removed in the middle of the night before and it was made to look like normal maintenance.

Pre-damaged poles were placed in the less conspicuous areas perhaps an hour before the event.

Lloyd, his cab, and the pole that allegedly hit it were placed just at/during the moment of impact by the "silent friend" in the van that allegedly helped him "remove" the pole from his cab.

No big deal for the richest, most skilled, most deceptive covert intelligence organization in the world to pull off in their own backyard that's for sure."

Of course!

That's so simple!

I mean, that's a H3|| of a lot easier than, say, producing a nuclear warhead and saying it came out of Iraq.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I've been away for a bit, had a ton of catching up to do in this thread.

Wow! A revisiting of the topic that singlehandedly caused the LC forums to self destruct and reboot! I can't wait to see what (if anything) gets presented. Hopefully it addresses how on earth the lightpole damage could have been staged without detection.

Seems like the last desperate gasps of a dying "movement" to me.

Huh?

This has nothing to do with why the boards were taken down.

We had nothing to do with that whatsoever.

Anyway.....the question was posed here as a courtesy to let you guys prepare for the info.

So......

You can assume we have nothing and refuse to look into it.

Or you can try and come up with an explanation for how the plane could have passed on the north side of the station in case we have something.

Your call.

Peace out pseudoskeptics!

 

[Dog Town]

So we need to add, anothe MIB crew and a group of DOT employees to the thousands involved.Oh, and another hundred witnesses. Sheesh just tell us who wasn't involved, would save time!