[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

[JFM]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Pot, meet Mr Kettle.

 

[JFM]

Hey, S4S, Why not take this info too the BAUT(Bad Astronomy), you may have an easier ride there. [smirk]

 

[Lyte Trip]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Oh I know!

What they fail to realize is how much people who so casually use sarcasm in real life are universally loathed.

This is like a forum for every office a**hole to get together in a safe haven and act like jerks anonymously without retribution!

 

[chipmunk stew]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Momma didn't raise no fool.

You will get greater maturity and politeness if and when you bring evidence. Your word that you have it is simply worthless. You don't have the track record to give such assurances any weight whatsoever.

Until then, you should expect only incredulity, irritation and mockery.

 

[bob_kark]

Oh I know!

What they fail to realize is how much people who so casually use sarcasm in real life are universally loathed.

This is like a forum for every office a**hole to get together in a safe haven and act like jerks anonymously without retribution!

Hey, as interesting as this is, why not take this time to get working on your evidence? We're all very eager to see it.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Oh I know!

What they fail to realize is how much people who so casually use sarcasm in real life are universally loathed.

This is like a forum for every office a**hole to get together in a safe haven and act like jerks anonymously without retribution!

Argumentum ad misericordiam

 

[JFM]

Argumentum ad misericordiam

Pitiful indeed.

 

[uk_dave]

Russell Pickering:

"The trip to DC produced significant evidence for an aircraft performing the maneuvers that it was claimed to have."

This is my reference to the witnesses up to the Citgo.

From there as you know we differ on flyover verse impact. After we got back I analyzed the mechanical damage path in relation to that.

That reminds me, is there any evidence at all now as you indicated would occur in about 30 days? Do we have:

1) A flyover graphic or flight path that can be examined?
2) Any graphics that were indicated to be forthcoming from the Citgo witness?
3) Anything at all in his own words yet?
4) Any other evidence at all that can be examined?
4) Any actual proof yet that all other witnesses were planted or that all the damage in the area was faked? Is there anything new besides the maximum viewing time of 1.5 seconds of the Citgo witness and Merc's version of the witnesses words that prove everybody else (except for the limited acceptance of Lagasse's account where it suites the Citgo witness story) that prove all other accounts are incorrect?? Remember behind the mound is BELOW the poles in any scenario.

As for my conclusions of the mechanical damage path after I got back, I found the new photo of the VDOT mast damage and the damage to the tree next to pole 1 which was further confirmation for me to the mechanical damage path.

Here it is for a refresher. It is based on the wing clipping the VDOT pole as indicated by photos and the testimony of the VDOT employees who replaced the camera because of the broken protective glass. It is also based on the NTSB flight path study and the true course of the aircraft at 61.5.

When you get something similar for the flyover path and/or a witness who reported a flyover, feel free to let me know. Until then let's just leave the subject alone. I need something I can analyze.

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That One Dood:

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"The trip to DC produced significant evidence for an aircraft performing the maneuvers that it was claimed to have."

This is my reference to the witnesses up to the Citgo.



Again, you are NOT telling the truth about the witnesses up to the Citgo. The only ones you have to work with is Edward and Madlene. I asked her which direction it came from. You didn't. I spoke with the Citgo employee. You declined. You don't even have the interview with Edward, so you are working from memory. You admitted there was no new evidence to support the mechanical flight path, and yet you just committed to doublespeak and said there was, while you said there wasn't.

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From there as you know we differ on flyover verse impact. After we got back I analyzed the mechanical damage path in relation to that.


No you twisted it in relation to that.

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That reminds me, is there any evidence at all now as you indicated would occur in about 30 days?


Be patient, you're in for a rude awakening.


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Do we have:

1) A flyover graphic or flight path that can be examined?


There is one. Use your imagination.

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2) Any graphics that were indicated to be forthcoming from the Citgo witness?


Did you ever call him Russell?


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3) Anything at all in his own words yet?


Oh I guess you didn't call him.

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4) Any other evidence at all that can be examined?


When the evidence arrives on the scene you can analyze until your hearts content. Or twist and obfuscate rather.

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4) Any actual proof yet that all other witnesses were planted or that all the damage in the area was faked?


Oh yeah, it's coming. BTW, wasn't there already a number 4?



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Is there anything new besides the maximum viewing time of 1.5 seconds of the Citgo witness and Merc's version of the witnesses words that prove everybody else (except for the limited acceptance of Lagasse's account where it suites the Citgo witness story) that prove all other accounts are incorrect??



Gee, and what about ole Mike Walter's "maximum viewing time" from much farther back? You going to tell them what you told me about Mike Walter, Russell? Go head, tell them what Mike Walter really saw. Hey Russell, why don't pull up your flight path and show me the "graceful and slow bank" the plane did before it straightened out and flew into the Pentagon, you know when it was next to Mike Walter, you know, when he looked to the left. Please show me that, I am incredibly curious about it. The Citgo witness saw it just fine, just like Edward and the White plane girl.


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Remember behind the mound is BELOW the poles in any scenario.


Yes, and remember it pulled up over the mound AND the light poles. To the left of the bridge, over the on ramp.


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When you get something similar for the flyover path and/or a witness who reported a flyover, feel free to let me know. Until then let's just leave the subject alone.


See, all I can say is Craig nailed you. That's why you had to resort to the tit for tat game. He asked you a simple question and you had to turn it into a complete attempt at deconstruction of our case, when it had nothing to do with that. He asked you a simple question about your disclaimer.


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I need something I can analyze.


Oh of course, that's what we're here for to give the great Pentagon oracle information to analyze so he can return a final verdict and shape the minds of the uninitiated.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=410

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

I encourage everyone who wants a laugh to visit Lyte Trip's MySpace page.

At least one of his MySpace "friends" has some sense:
To give you an idea of the mentality of this member of the self-described "Eite Pentagon Research Team," here's Lyte's warning near the top of the page:
Lyte (real name apparently Craig) is a drummer with the OC-area band The Stemz. On that page there are lots of beavisy drug references and photos of...plant stems! Get it? "Stemz!" Lyte, you may want to ease up on the chronic. It clearly isn't helping.

Lyte wrote an account of the "Elite Pentagon Research Team's" visit to DC in August. Guess what? It turns out that in addition to Lloyd the cabbie, they DID interview two other people who were on the "light pole" witness list I provided a few posts back! Isn't it strange that Lyte didn't mention what they had to say?

Let's see what conclusions Lyte drew from those interviews.

1) About Lloyd England, who was nearly killed when a light pole that was struck by flight 77 impaled the windshield of his taxi:​

The imaginary light pole that didn't almost kill Lloyd England after the imaginary airliner didn't strike it.
In the background: the site where 189 imaginary people weren't murdered.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/87904562c728dafba.jpg​

Lyte Trip says he wouldn't have examined the car if given the chance.​

That's the troofer spirit!​

And here's the seat that Skeptic4Sure and Lyte say wasn't damaged. Of course: the upholstery on American luxury cars is sewn by chimpanzees – can't they get anything straight? – and the front seats are designed for optimum humpbacked passenger viewing through the rear windows.​

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/pentagon trip/Picture033resized.jpg


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2) About Catholic Priest Father Stephen McGraw, who said "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car," and "I saw it crash into the building. There was an explosion and a loud noise, and I felt the impact":
Of course. What could be more conducive to covert government work than ministering to a parish, holding regular religious services, presiding over wedddings and funerals (he was on his way to a funeral on 9/11), and comforting the stricken:
3) About news reporter Mike Walter, who was kind enough to invite the crack – or is that spliff? – Pentagon research team to his home for a barbecue, and who said, "...it turned and came around in front of the vehicle and it clipped one of these light poles ... and slammed right into the Pentagon right there":

So that's three unrelated witnesses to flight 77's actual flight path and crash who Lyte believes may either be victims of hypnosis or government disinfo agents.

Is it possible for a "Truth Seeker" to be any more dishonest than that?

Yes, it is. On his MySpace page Lyte Trip, the "Elite Pentagon Researcher," claims that the hole made by the plane that hit the Pentagon was only 13 feet wide! He shows a photo in which the right side of the hole is completely obscured by the spray from a fire hose. Lyte! What the hell is your problem? What happened to the truth?

Here's a view that doesn't attempt to hide the hole made by flight 77.​

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/87904562bf2081ea8.jpg​

Lyte, I expect that you will correct this deliberate misrepresentation immediately. ​

I also expect that you will retract your statements about the three witnesses above, or I will make it a point to speak to them myself, to record their full stories, and let them know how miserably you've repaid their generosity. ​

ETA: Here's another account by a very credible witness:​

There's an interesting Library of Congress video presentation that includes a talk by Daryl Donley, the photographer who took several of the well-known shots of the Pentagon in flames just after it was hit, here: http://www.loc.gov/locvideo/911photo/911photo.ram (will open with Real Player)​

Surprise! Donley mentions that the plane knocked down a lamp pole next to his car. I haven't watched this whole presentation...will have to do so later.​

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Oh Gravy,

Is this how you do you everything?

Your mother must be proud. You actually hunted down Craig's myspace page and are attempting to smear his name.

You truly are a piece of work.

You are making powerful enemies my celebrity look-alike friend.

Do you think that is very nice, to take someone's personal information that doesn't have anything to with the discussion at hand and make an issue out of it?

You won't be able to fake your way through this one, with your OPINION and "seemingly" detailed post.

You can reinterview or interview anyone you want.

The plane was on the North side. That you won't be able to change.

Maybe we should do a little investigation on Mark Roberts. Maybe we should insinuate things about you on the internet.

How would you like that?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Russell is not aware of the details of new evidence obtained.

We believe this will have a major impact in his hypothesis.

 

[T.A.M.]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Patronization will get you nowhere. I am 36 years old, a physician. I deal with peoples lives daily. I have to tell 40 year old women they have breast cancer. I have to tell parents their child has leukemia. the only reason I am not doing so now is that Tuesday Afternoon is my half-day off.

If there is venom in my posts it is for the juvenile attempt to bait people on this forum with your so called "earth shattering" evidence.

Sitting on information for 6 weeks that could change the course of human history, just so you can "present" it "right" is juvenile and villainous in itself. If this evidence is irrefutable and sound, then bring it as it is to those who can do something about it. I am sure Barack Obama would be behind you....Hillary would love to have it. Hell, I am sure there are enough Big businessmen that hate BUSH et al that would love to present it on their cable networks. How about the authorities. I say if this evidence is as important as you say than you are acting criminally by holding on to it as long as you have. don't you think this is what you should do?

No, instead, like a couple of children, you log on here, and at LC Forum and you start bragging about your info like a couple of schoolyard tough guys. You accuse us of treating the issue with shallowness, yet you treat the issue of 3000 murders like a game. Taunting in here, teasing. How do you know whether or not the relatives of someone who lost someone in 9/11 is not reading this as we speak, yet you tease them with it, telling them, and all of us, that we have to wait until near christmas before the "truth" can be known.

This is the real world you are f&*king with here. You silly boys think someone is "listening in" on your phone calls. Let me tell you, if the powers that be were as evil as you say they are, and as all powerful, do you really think that you would even have the opportunity to listen to each other on the phone before they would have you done in and floating in the river. Think about it.

I say put up or shut up. Out with it, or get lost.

TAM

 

[Arus808]

Oh Gravy,

Is this how you do you everything?

Your mother must be proud. You actually hunted down Craig's myspace page and are attempting to smear his name.

You truly are a piece of work.

You are making powerful enemies my celebrity look-alike friend.

Do you think that is very nice, to take someone's personal information that doesn't have anything to with the discussion at hand and make an issue out of it?

You won't be able to fake your way through this one, with your OPINION and "seemingly" detailed post.

You can reinterview or interview anyone you want.

The plane was on the North side. That you won't be able to change.

Maybe we should do a little investigation on Mark Roberts. Maybe we should insinuate things about you on the internet.

How would you like that?

typical.. attack the poster
and not address questions posed to you and left ignored by you.

 

[realitybites]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Yes, 'cause the proper reaction to someone who claims to have The Evidence To End All Evidence would just be to take their word for it and believe them.

Especially since when it comes to getting it right, the track record for the truth movement is impeccable.

I suggest the mods close this thread and any others like it until LyteBright and company are ready to go public with the work.

 

[uk_dave]

Russell Pickering:

The manipulation of the Citgo witness is reprehensible in my opinion. That is what I will expose.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=410

 

[Bell]

Do you ever stop and look at how venomous and anger-filled their posts are?

We didn't come on with that attitude.


Surely their mother's couldn't have all raised them like this. Surely some will realize how immature and antagonistic their behavior is.

Leave my mother out of this, troll.
And your attitude is pathetic, at least.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Maybe we should do a little investigation on Mark Roberts. Maybe we should insinuate things about you on the internet.

How would you like that?

If you display the same sort of investigatory skills you have shown thus far, he has nothing to worry about.

 

[maccy]

Ages ago I called Troll and ssuggested we ignored all this.

I failed to follow my own advice.

Now that the trolls are getting upset I think it could be enjoyable sport to continue.

For what its worth S4S and LyteTrip I predict that your "explosive proof" will amount to nothing more than witness who either don't remeber properly or who have been wilfully misinterpreted by you.

Futhermore, you won't be able to account for the physical evidence or the otehr witness testimony without concocting fanciful theories.

 

[maccy]

If you display the same sort of investigatory skills you have shown thus far, he has nothing to worry about.

I imagine they'll find some witnesses that prove he lives on the West Coast.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Russell is not aware of the details of new evidence obtained.

We believe this will have a major impact in his hypothesis.

Only if he was counting on it actually existing.

 

[uk_dave]

Russell Pickering:

.....to handle that witness given the whole detainment incident in the parking lot.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...?showtopic=410

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